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JeffWampler
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Geez...I'm getting into this one late, but I'll echo some sentiments. Finish the education. I went pro and wished I'd finished school. Options are great to have and I've never heard anyone say "I wish I'd never gone to school," but I've heard plenty say, "I wish I would have stayed in school." Btw, opportunities don't come by only once...they are always opportunities, you may just have to look for them. Good luck on your decision.
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I know a nurse that gave up nursing to do kids magic, and he gets calls all the time to do part time nursing. He has his cake and eats it too. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.
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Ken Northridge
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On 2012-11-11 17:38, Zombie Magic wrote:
FINISH SCHOOL!

No one, I mean no one, on this planet has ever said "the one thing I regret is that I went to school".

Are you so sure that things aren't changing? The insane cost of college today forces young people to start their life with a mountain of debt and a degree in partying.
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magicofCurtis
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Donald Trump looks for education background in people who are administrators for his company, but looks for creativity, business wisdom and dedication for his leaders.

Also, he went on to say something like,
College is good for people who need direction and not for those who already have direction.

Now, should there be a balance between the two? YES!
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Absolutely, a balance, but its almost a cliché, “you have to go to college to be a success.” How about some objective thinking?

Let me give you a little perspective:

I went through all of High School thinking I was going to be the next David Copperfield. Who needs college if you’re David Copperfield? Right? Well, I’m sure no one is surprised to hear that I failed miserably! After a couple of months I crawled to the nearest minimum wage job with my tale between my legs. That job was at JCPenney. I eventually got into the management training program and here’s the key, I took a few college courses that would impact my career directly. Between JCPenney’s business training and the college courses I took, when I attempted to become a full time magician again 8 years later, it was met with success.

I never did become the next David Copperfield, but I am a success, doing something I truly enjoy and have a passion for.

On the reverse side, I have a brother who went to Rutgers, was an excellent student, and majored in English and music. He worked most of his life as a valet parker and a bellman (for one of Donald Trump's Casinos ironically), and his college partying habit digressed into alcoholism. Although he was able to pay off his college loan, at age 56 he is essentially broke and has no more direction than he had at age 18.

Just sayin…
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Not all college students are also partying the whole time. Let's not paint everyone with the same brush as though that's what it's all about. College isn't just about the school, it's about the person. Plenty of idiots have attended ivy league schools and plenty of brilliant minds went to community college. I finished school with zero debt (and that includes an MBA.) I'm not saying that's easy, but I would say finish your education, hands down.
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On 2012-11-13 11:35, Ken Northridge wrote:
Absolutely, a balance, but its almost a cliché, “you have to go to college to be a success.” How about some objective thinking?




THIS IS FAR OFF. If you actually look at the people who started successful businesses or even are very successful, they had none or very little college education. Even, if you look deeper many dropped out of high school (referring to people in the 1950 1970's) and became very successful it was doing the time you had to make money for you family. Although, I believe it is important to finish high school in our times, because this shows that you have the ability of completion and the stigma built around it.

Going to college is not a 100% success card. G's I know many previous college students that are broke and I know many non-college students not complaining about the current economy.
It is how we as individuals choose to interact with the world and how we select our level of success.

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One thing I wish, I took more acting classes and staging/theater direction courses. SO my suggestion is
Go for your dreams, but educate yourself in your field!
Bill Hegbli
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As the original poster questioned, it is really a question of what is outcome. The OP says he is doing some restaurant nite, and a few shows. That is not enough of a gauge or reason to not get a college education in a career field.

Recently, there have been young singers and actresses on talk shows, with the same choice. Do I make $100,000 or so being in a movie, or a million with an album of songs. Well, in their case the answer is simple, if the returns are enough to set you up for a lifetime, then that is your career already if you choose it. One actress was making movie after movie each year, but here desire to go to college was stronger and stopped making movies until she graduated. Will the offers still be there when she graduates. I know of one case, where it wasn't, she is now only doing cameo appearances on television.

In another case, an actress done both, and in another, she shelved college until later.

Harry Anderson never went to college, and when David Letterman ask him what he was going to do now that all his shows have ended, he said attend college. I don't believe he ever did, as he has lots of time on his hands for the last number of years. But, I believe he said that because it is the PC thing to say. After all, he had enough money to retire, which he kind of has done, except for the occasional appearance at a magic function, or recently on Penguin web lecture series.

Remember, Harry Anderson lived in New Orleans, but when they were told to get out, he simply moved to North Carolina. Now that is the power of being able to use your money wisely, taking care of your life and continue on.

Oh, and it was not magic that got him his wealth, magic only helped him get an acting job, which had nothing to do with performing magic.

Many comedians and magicians, use magic as a stepping stone to greater success, in their eyes. Look at all the comedians on television. Stan Allen once was asked at a magic convention what he was striving for in show business, his answer was, he wanted to be a Game Show Host.

College trains and teaches you to work for someone else or a company. It does not train you to run a business. This statement was made by a knowledgeable person, of which I have lost the quote.

The OP is only doing what he could do while attending college, so it is really a simple answer, go to college and take classes for a career in a field of interest other then magic. But if your magic starts earning you $400,000 a year, then take the offers. Remember, you have to pay taxes and all the other things a consumer society wants your income for. And if you get involved with women and children, that quickly takes you to the $1,000,000 income bracket.

Good luck in your choice, as you will have many more decisions to make in life.
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magicofCurtis
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Bill Hegbli,
well said!
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I think you should definitely get the degree-as to the tourist gig see if you can work it around your school. Consider that if you think 2 hours is a long drive; going pro might not be the best choice.

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I've decided to get the degree. Magicofcurtis made me think; though. I have a deal with a company to hold my license up after I get it for a few years for me so I can go out and try magic for a while. And 2 hours isn't a long drive. But it is everyday if you're going to school full time. Other than that I have no problem with travel. It's balancing the show and school that I can't stand very well. Thanks for the input; though. But I do know that going pro will be my final choice.
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I have weighed in and don't waiver on my position. But also consider this in the equasion.

Depending on what your goals, and skills and talents are it is possible that 4 years in school can be a waste of time. It really is.

If you have no direction, school can often provide such a thing. It is a great melting pot for careers. But if you want to drive a truck it might not be for you. It is a lot of money and time to spend. Each of which you never get back really.

I think you are doing the right thing in considering carefully. Hard to go wrong there.
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