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Merenkov Elite user 413 Posts |
I’m a huge fan of David Stone’s Real Secrets of Magic DVD’s. David’s magic is of course fantastic, but what made these DVD’s particularly special was the direction and production values of his friend Jean-Luc Bertrand, a true filmmaker. On his recent lecture tour here in the States, I asked David if he would produce any more volumes of this series, and he said that Volumes 3 and 4 had actually been written and were ready to go, but that the economics of selling videos had made it unfeasible. I asked him what he meant, and he had a simple answer: BitTorrent web sites. This is why all of his releases now involve a gimmick that he sells with the disc –it’s harder for others to steal and copy. Kinda sad that the video pirates have won here, and deprived the rest of us the wealth of this man’s particular genius.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I hate to say it but that is probably exactly what is needed. The pirates can't sell what they can't get. Of course it makes things tougher for magicians... but not impossible.
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Don Dasher Special user 535 Posts |
It's sad that he would pursue a completely different route creatively for fear of making a few less dollars. Every artist has his mu$e I suppose.
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close_up_act Special user Idaho Falls 774 Posts |
His dvds' are what I consider "GOLDEN".... I hope he does release them one day...but you have to understand the business side aswell...best of luck to you david...
J Rodriguez
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warren Inner circle uk 4166 Posts |
If that is indeed the case and I have no reason to doubt you.....how sad
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Chance Wolf Inner circle 2425 Posts |
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On 2012-11-15 00:48, Don Dasher wrote: I do not think it is a "FEW" less dollars. It is more like a LOT LESS dollars! How about you go to work today and the boss tells you...I am now paying you HALF as much as I did yesterday...now go to work. Something tells me you would find a new "mu$e" as well.
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Joe Roberts Special user 863 Posts |
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On 2012-11-15 00:48, Don Dasher wrote: A "completely different route creatively" is a bit of a stretch. He's not fronting a mariachi band. He is just not releasing something he might have otherwise. In fact we have no reason to believe it has changed his route at all. The DVDs with gimmicks still probably would have come out anyways. |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
Like Joe I am cynical about this too. Dave's just going after higher margin products. It's actually the sensible thing to do.
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Don Dasher Special user 535 Posts |
Blaming the torrents and the fans for poor sales is so last week.
How about blame the influx of competition that came with the internet for reduced sales instead? That might hold some weight. DD |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12968 Posts |
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On 2012-11-15 00:48, Don Dasher wrote: Do you sell anything? His muse? Who are you? You know what a living is? Do you make one? This is how this guy makes his living. People are stealing food from his mouth. How much stuff that you own have you paid for? I'm honestly disgusted by your comment. I truly hope you are kidding. J |
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Don Dasher Special user 535 Posts |
I'm not kidding, I don't think it's fair to blame the fans for what he perceives as a loss in profit. He can't know that torrents are responsible for reduced sales, assuming he is experiencing reduced sales.
If he feels like abandoning the projects in lieu of more profitable endeavors that is his option. But to me, it seems like a shame to deviate from his artistic route because he's scared he won't make as much. That's what was stated. Sorry if you're disgusted by my response. I can't say I'm disgusted, but it's a shame. DD |
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Robert P. Special user Kansas 632 Posts |
I don't see where he is blaming the fans, only bittorrent. Well, I guess if someone would opt to pirate the DVD instead of purchasing it I wouldn't consider them a fan.
Does every pirated copy equate to one lost sale? Of course not, but knowing how many copies you sold compared to seeing all of the seeders/leechers on bittorrent can be disheartening. Maybe David looked at his sales along with what he also saw being pirated and came to the conclusion that it simply wasn't worth the effort versus the reward. Can't say that I blame him, but it is unfortunate for his fans. |
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bekralik Inner circle Canada 1357 Posts |
Maybe the recession is also to blame, at least in part, for reduced sales.
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MaxfieldsMagic Inner circle Instead of practicing, I made 3009 Posts |
I'm confused. Can't they just make DVDs with copy protections on them now, so they can't be ripped?
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Joe Roberts Special user 863 Posts |
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SIX Inner circle New York City 1772 Posts |
This hurts magic in so many ways...and as an owner of a compeny...albeit a new company...Pricing in the market has changed because of this...sad but true...Im sure back in the day they had an issue to create the same proble,,,
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motown Inner circle Atlanta by way of Detroit 6136 Posts |
Maybe then, it's time for a book. Oh wait, nobody wants to read.
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close_up_act Special user Idaho Falls 774 Posts |
I agree with motown...a book would be great...nobody reads anymore (lol) so it'll be "the new best thing in magic"...he should do something like penguin where if you want a "visual explanation" you must visit his website and "sign in" ...this might help with torrent issues...
I loved his Close Up book...
J Rodriguez
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
Stone said the same thing in recent Reel Magic interview. Although in there he refered to megaupload that is now gone. It is still kinda hard to believe that magic would have so big problem with piracy. Even if you check most of the bittorrents biggest sites there really isn't that much magic available. So if that stuff is moving in private places, then I would assume that those numbers are made out of peoples head. Bob Sheets once said that his DVD set was downloaded 20 000 times from one bittorrent site... YEAH, RIGHT! Sorry to break it to some but any magic product getting around 20 000 times would be A HUGE SUCCESS
Sounds pausible but yet again, in very recent german study they found out that people who pirate music also buy and consume 30% more legally bought music than people who don't.. Not sure if it would apply to magic as well, but makes you think at least inlittle different way. |
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
10 years ago DVD magic distributors would take several thousand copies off of the artist to sell. 5 years ago that number was around 1000 copies. Now most won't commit to buying more than a couple of hundred. Why? Because most of the time they can't sell them and that's certainly partly because of piracy.
Also the production costs have increased, but the revenue has dried up. Who wants to work for free? Or in some cases lose money on a project and actually pay to work(i know a few artists this has hapoened to recently). Making a good DVD like David does is hard work and very time consuming. But if he can't pay his bills what's the point of wasting his time, his time would be better spent producing something else. It has nothing to do with his fans. Unless you supply a gimmick with the DVD, in most circumstances it simply is not worth producing an 'instructional only' DVD anymore for an artist. Its a shame.
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