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JBiesecker Regular user Pennsylvania 140 Posts |
I've been trying card manipulations with fanning powder for many years now. I want to be able to do it with wax instead, but so far it's not working. Instead of helping, the wax is basically just causing the cards to stick together. I definetly have the right kind of wax, so I'm wondering if there's a specific way to apply it or something that I'm unaware of. I was recently at a lecture with Juliana Chen and I thought she said something about a certain partern to apply it with or something, but I couldn't tell. Or is it simply just that you need extra strong fingers to do it with wax?
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Ion Dubinin New user 21 Posts |
Hey there:
The way I've always done it and the way a friend of mine told me (Mahka Tendo taught it to him years ago). Just rub the front and back of the cards with wax on the entire surface. After you are done with the entire deck just assemble the deck and do a few fans and shuffles to spread the wax. The wax I've used is just normal candle wax. I just take a candle made of a softer white wax and rub it on the cards. It definatly takes more strength to fan waxed cards than powdered cards but you get used to it quickly. Hope it helps. Ion |
Darkwing Inner circle Nashville Tn 1850 Posts |
I tried the wax method and did not have much success. I went back to fanning powder.
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Sam Sandler Inner circle 2487 Posts |
I have one of Julia Chen's decks with the wax on it. The one she was using at the lecture. I must say I never thought wax would help but you can realy make a sweet simple nice looking fan with the cards.
I do believe she said the rub the the 4 sides no so much the middle but these cards are clearly covered in wax front and back. Do you have the video that might help. sam
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Darkwing Inner circle Nashville Tn 1850 Posts |
Ok, I might have to revisit the wax method
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
The 1st time you use wax on cards, Chen demonstrated her method. Use Kleenex and polish each card on both sides. You should not have lumps of wax on cards. This is the same method used in polishing shoes with shoe polish wax. Buff until they shine in the light.
After using the cards, dirt will cause the wax to build up, to remove, again just use Kleenex to rub on the cards. |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
The old timers used to use Cashmere bouquet soap. Others have use carnuba autowax. It needs to be a hard wax so dirt does not buildup as Bill suggested.
Richard
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JBiesecker Regular user Pennsylvania 140 Posts |
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On 2012-11-18 23:21, Sam Sandler wrote: I thought she said something like that about not waxing the whole cards, I'll have to try that. Thanks. |
Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
I use plain emergency candles that I buy at the grocery store. The fancy dinner table candles do not work as well--I think because some kind of fancy coating applied to the candles. I use the technique described by Nagisa in his instructional video. You can see the performance only part of his instructional video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dONVO-uS7iM While you're watching the video, note his fan production technique at around 2:20 into the clip. A fan of 7-8 cards is produced and then the entire fan is tossed into the hat. This technique is similar to what Lewis Ganson recommended in _Card Magic by Manipulation_ as opposed to the more traditional method of fan productions in, for example, Marlo's _Card Fan Productions_. Here's a clip of Nagisa from a different video that has an interesting _double fan_ fan production at 3:12 into the clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo0v0Z3eyhw It's some great card manipulation technique! Does anyone know a website in English with info on ordering the Nagisa videos? Here's another link with Nagisa videos (in Russian maybe???) with some non card-magic effects: http://joyplayground.com/view.php?video=......ture+DVD ----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
----- Sonny Narvaez
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2012-11-19 06:51, hugmagic wrote: I was taught about it from the late Chicago magician Tommy Edwards. He used it to get more life out of an old deck. I use it to get much more life out of an ID. The corner is cut off of the bar, so you're left with a square surface at the corner. Discard the cut off piece. I then draw a large "X" with that corner of the bar, on the sides I'd like to make smooth. |
Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hey Alan>>>I broke in two decks for white glove "split" fan production in 1951. One of them is now worn out, but the other is still working! Heqq at 75 cents a deck,I think I got my money's worth!
Re: the CASHMERE BAR SOAP. This was kept fairly "tight" for a long time. Tommy (we used to have lunch together--John Shirley, Jay Marshall et moi,at the Polish Pump Room) must have liked you to tip it.
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Anatole Inner circle 1912 Posts |
I believe Arthur Buckley wrote about using soap to treat cards for fanning in his book _Principles and Deception_.
----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
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On 2012-11-19 09:52, JBiesecker wrote: You really should take better notes, as you comments say you do not have this resource to verify the preparation. The "X" was AFTER your initial preparation of the deck covering each card and working it in completely. |
hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
I learned it from Walter Cummings (Neil Foster's Chavz teacher). Walt would tease that the soap worked fine except in humid weather. Then little tiny bubbles would appear and float up from the cards as they appeared. Only Walt.
Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
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elliottmagic Regular user 155 Posts |
Haha, I use a new deck every show, Bee brand. So I don't wax or powder my cards. Fresh cards straight from the box are the way to go!
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Benjamagic Loyal user 41°02′20″N 73°36′49″W 216 Posts |
I use something called Gulf Wax. I got it at my local hardware store for like $5. It worked great, and I still use the same block I bought over a year ago.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hi Richard!
Got a "kick" out of the Walter Cummings line!!! There goes my idea of practicing card fans in the shower!!!
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inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
Old thread, but I'm chiming in anyway.
I do not care for wax at all. For over 30 years I have used fanning powder on my fanning decks. I even use it on my manipulation cards...as needed. This has always worked for me and I'm sticking with it. Just don't put too much on them. After treating, a few riffles go a long way to ridding the excess. Be careful, don't inhale the powder! |
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