I'm looking for the publication dates of Irv Weiner's routines:

Patriotic Cup and Ball Routine Manu-secrets © Irv Weiner Studio of Magic Boston
Impromptu No Nesting Cup and Ball Routine Manu-secrets © Irv Weiner Studio of Magic Boston
Three Ball Monte Manu-secrets © Irv Weiner Studio of Magic Boston

Lawrence O:

Do you know Dave Cresey? I bet he'd know who in the Boston area might be a good source of information for this....

Todd's bibliography should have these references. It's posted in this same section of the Magic Café - by Todd ("Lint"). I just checked the original monograph that I have of Weiner's "No-nesting" routine but it's not dated.

Fortasse

....,,....just checked, Todd's biblio lists these routines but no references are cited.

If it was helping I have them listed as
Irv Weiner: Patriotic Cup and Ball Routine Manu-secrets © 1952 Irv Weiner Studio of Magic, Boston
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The Original Patriotic Cups and Colored Balls Routine Manu-secrets © Ca 1955 Irv Weiner's Studio of Magic, Boston
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Impromptu No Nesting Cup and Ball Routine Manu-secrets © Ca 1975 Irv Weiner Studio of Magic, Boston
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Three Ball Monte Manu-secrets © Ca 1980 Irv Weiner Studio of Magic, Boston

But I don't like these "Ca."

The problem I find is that a lot of these routines - especially in the 70's and earlier - were rather casually published without any publication dates on them. Moreover, few of them had any kind of Library of Congress or equivalent cataloging, nor any kind of copyright registration. Quite a number of them were just mimeographed affairs. Remember the old mimeograph machines? My, how far we've come.

What I have found though is that the magic periodicals were fairly diligent about reviewing new, noteworthy publications back in the 60s and 70s. That may be the best way to find an approximate date of publication......but it really is searching for a needle in the haystack unless there good indices to guide the way.

Thankfully, just about everything new these days has some kind of date stamp on it.

Fortasse