Hi all, I have been doing the double lift like it teaches in RRTCM. I always here people talking about Daley's double strike lift, and similiar. I was wondering, what is the advantage of these? The basic one looks exactely like turing over a normal card, so why all these fancy doubles? Won't that just draw more attention to the card? Just curious!

I encurage you to read The Secrets Of Brother John Hamman page 11, Instant Double and Triple Turover Technique.

It's the best double lift I have encountered.

There is no get-ready, and you are in a wonderfull position when you going to turn back the cards again.
I use it all the time.

The strike double looks natural and can also be performed without a get-ready, hence it may be more comfortable for some than the RRTCM method. The important thing is not the technique that you use, but the comfort and naturalness with which you use any given technique.

That is what you get (ie comfort and naturaless)if you using Hamman's method, because of its easiness.
You just do it without fumbling with the cards.

Yea, I use a get ready, it is unnatural but I'm not comfortable with the double push off method

I use the vernon double lift (or triple) and just start from the thumb count. I've never been called on it as I have with some other methods. Tom

I don't like the DL from RRTCM, is a bit akward. The strike double is good, natural and fairly easy. Snap double is my favourite

I use the one from the RRTCM...It works for me. I think that its not always about technique but having sufficient practice with that technique. For example- the strike double may be better but I think you can make a normal DL like the RRTCM one just as good if you are comfortable with it...

I use the pushforward DL.

hey, there's one "basic" DL taught in mark wilsons cylcopedia of magic taht works pretty good for me

Also check out the Steve Draun DL in "Secrets Draun from Underground."

Matt Field

What is it about the strike method you all see as being natural? I cringe when I see it done. It looks horrible, what is that index finger doing hovering at the side of the deck like that? :|

"The basic one looks exactely like turing over a normal card, so why all these fancy doubles?"

Because the standard get ready is suspicous and the turnover action looks very 'cagey' so there has been various lifts created to try and move away from this rigid handling in view of something which is more casual in appearance.

"Won't that just draw more attention to the card?"

That depends on how you do it.

Euan

The funny thing is, as interesting and helpful as the above posts are, none of them really answered your question. So, I'm going to give it a shot.

One advantage to some "advanced" double lifts, is that some laypeople know about the idea of a double lift. Some methods of double lifts, makes it seem impossible to do a double lift. Many magicians have even developed DL that can easily fool very perceptive and intelligent magicians. In the final analysis, I always say it's best to do a double lift that looks the same as when you turn over one card. I would do this even if you have to change the way you normally turn over one card. The really funny thing is that you always here about people talking about difficult moves....The Pass...A one handed open palm shift , etc. I see more professionals(and I mean BIG names) with bad double lifts then I really would have guessed. But then again, it's not that surprising, a consistant double lift, I think, is much more difficult then many people realize.


Curtis

Flea, you bring up good points about turning over two cards the same way you would turn over one. I think this really is the most important key to an efficient DL.

I just catch a break before-hand...of thumb count and snap the double (Jenning's version)

I adjust my patter and presentation to suit easy get readys like taking one card off the top and pointing with it while pinky breaking the top card, or having my hand down to my side and pushing over two cards. a get ready really isn't all that bad once no one knows you are doing it. and I never leave the card face up for long periods of time. if is always a lil more than a flash. enough for them to note the suit and value...that's it

Im using the DL taught by RRTCM..and I'm aking if there are any good books that will teach you the strike DL or any natural way of DL??

Try picking up greg wilson's video on the subject

The Basic Card Technique video/DVD by Richard Kaufman teaches the Daley Instantaneous and Vernon Light lifts. It teaches a lot of other useful stuff to and is a great companion to have for the Royal Road.
The Daley Lift is great because there is no get-ready as such but takes time and practice to make it smooth. Also (I found anyway) that no matter how long you've been doing it you can't get it 100% reliable. I still sometimes pick up singles and triples.
The Vernon Lift is very nice but requires a pinky-break and method that Kaufmann teaches to obtain it isn't all that great (IMHO). As someone mentioned above, a good way to do it is catch the break with your thumb and then move it. Even better would be using a pinky count to get the break, but this will take practice.
Hope this helps.
(PS Daryl's Encyclopedia Vol 5 is worth getting as a lift reference, but doesn't have a lot else on it. Teaches all the lift stuff that's on BCT and loads more besides and teaches it better though.)

You should pratice the strike double lift with no break, it's so easy after when you get it every time without a break. I learned it from seeing Jay Sankey. Greg Wilson has a great video on the subject.

Ciao

Are the Daley Instantaneous and the Strike Double the same thing?