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About another matrix...

Fishburn said he is NOT going to do another one.
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What? That makes no sense! Neo dying is obvious that they are NOT going to make another matrix.

Am I missing something??
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I honestly think that there will NOT be another Matrix. The Wachoski brothers said that Matrix Revolutions is the last one. All the cast members want to move on with there careers. I think Revolution is a fine ending to the series.
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God I hope there won't be. Revolutions was one of the biggest pieces of garbage I've ever seen.
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If you have the tech or imagination...

try watching these films with the sound OFF. Then repalce teh soundtrack for fight scenes with music by the pet shop boys, and the dialogue scenes with southpark or Beavis and Butthead. or Pinky and the Brain.

Makes them much more fun to watch

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Here in Singapore, it was so funny. There were sound problems on the opening day of the Matrix: Revolutions. During the fight scene with Agent Smith and Neo, Trinity's voice came up instead saying "kiss me one more time". Smile Smile Smile

Well, at least that was more entertaining than the movie itself.
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On 2003-11-10 19:05, Mistro wrote:
I honestly think that there will NOT be another Matrix. The Wachoski brothers said that Matrix Revolutions is the last one. All the cast members want to move on with there careers. I think Revolution is a fine ending to the series.


I couldn't agree more. Cool stuff! Smile
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I was checking some Matrix messageboards and people were complaining because they didn't understand why Neo had to die.

Well is was quite obvious if you paid attention to his converstaion with that big machine. Smith is a virus and he grew to big to control. So instead of having to entirly crash the system and start form scratch (which is what the Architecht was talking about in Reloaded)
Neo had to let the virus (Smith) copy itself into him so that he could delete it from within which destroyed the rest of the virus.

Yeah that is my conclusion. Anyone ever see that cartoon called Reboot that took place inside a computer? Kind of reminds me of the Matrix.


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Sorry they did that.

From what Agent Smith said in the first film I had hopes for him. He certainly did evolve as a character.

I was hoping he would get his wish and move on beyond the world he found limiting and unpleasant... as the next step in man-machine evolution.

Typical western kill-the-monster ending... hokey
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2. Like Macguyver said he followed all the hidden meanings with the religious symbols and what not, people are taking the movies to literal and not enjoying them as strictly entertainment.



First off, it's MacGyver Smile

Anyway, as far as taking too literal, I personally find some intellectual and philosophical things entertaining, but I guess I should just give my self a lobotomy and watch the pretty special effects for entertainment.

They did not make the second and third movie as an "afterthought" to make more money, they originally had the whole thing planned as a full fledged trilogy, but the studios told them that they might not get enough money from the first one to make 2 more, so they were ordered to write the first movie into a complete movie, which is why it seems to self contained.

The second movie rocked, it wasn't meant to be a total movie but mearly part of the story, setting up all the questions and scenes for the third movie to show and give answers.

I reacted bad simply because instead of doing making a GOOD movie that tied up loose ends with a LOGICAL AND MEANINGFUL ending, they took the cheap way out and didn't do anything.

Perhaps it was their fault or perhaps the studio's were pushing for "bigger and better" action scenes, who knows.

Some questions that they were suppose to answer:
1. Why were humans used as a power source instead of fusion or like cows, then you would just need a matrix of green pastures.

2. Why don't they just kill off people as they reject the matrix and kill off the one from outside, instead of making a city and then destroying it... and why not just plant bombs or something down in zion to blow up at the right time....

3. Why does Neo look the same? the genral vibe from the first movie was that there were many potential "ones" and that one just had to believe that he was the one in order to become the "one"... Or maybe only the One can beleive he is the one... chicken or the egg.

4.If there is sunlight above the clouds, why not just build flyers to go up and get solar energy, or better yet put an array on the moon and microwave the energy back to the earth(this ties in with fusion power).

5. The whole thing violates perpetual motion, they need to be getting energy from somewhere.... and why is the surface not freezing cold and without oxygen? why can they walk around!?

not to mention the philosophical questions and answers...

They wrote themselves into many holes and couldn't get out without some really good explanations which they didn't give.

I am not someone who needs to analize every movie... Give me an action flick and I can be entertained by it, but don't give me a philosophical movie like the matrix and then fail to write a good story and expect me to look the other way.... The matrix was never an action movie, and its too bad it got pegged that way by hollywood.

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1. Why were humans used as a power source instead of fusion or like cows, then you would just need a matrix of green pastures.
This is a major flaw with the premise. Humans, as well as all life on this planet receive their energy from the sun as well. Without sunlight no biological life can exist.

Also the amount of energy produced by a immobile human is miniscule. In reality you would use far more energy to keep your human batteries alive than they would ever produce. Why wouldn't the Machines use Fusion, Fission, or simply burn fossil fuels for their energy? Even chemical batteries would have a higher input to output ratio than humans.

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2. Why don't they just kill off people as they reject the matrix and kill off the one from outside, instead of making a city and then destroying it... and why not just plant bombs or something down in zion to blow up at the right time...
More importantly, if indeed Zion has fallen and risen several times this means that thousands of years have passed since the inital battle between humanity and the machines. Wouldn't the dust cloud have settled by now?
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As far as entertainment value goes, I thought the Matrix Revolutions was a good movie.

One theory one of my friends offered was maybe the Matrix was just a program so that machines could (or try to)understand human emotions.

Of course though you can rationalize anything out of nothing if given some thought.

Just my 2 cents..
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As folks explore the 'world' as proposed in the 'matrix' it starts to beg some questions about social metaphor.

Is our society a matrix?

If so, to what extent do 'agents' exist?

Does the 'real' world as portrayed in the matrix really have to be so desolate and in need of reconstruction?

Are YOU interested in exploring the world outside of social context?
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I thought it was horrible....

I could have written a better 2 and 3 movie.

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On 2003-11-22 18:47, pyro_magic wrote:
I thought it was horrible....

I could have written a better 2 and 3 movie.

Lee


Why don't you? Seems to be a lot of money in it.

Personally, none of these films interested me in the least. I've found more thought-provoking ideas on the back of a cereal box.
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Saw Revolutions over the weekend and was dissapointed. It seems they threw out nearly everything from the first two to make a "big battle" film. There are so many loose ends and ambiguities to fuel disscusion boards like these for some time to come. I know people will differ, but for me, if anything can happen, then I don't really care about what does happen. In other words, if there isn't an answer then I don't care what all the zillions of possibilities are. Call me shallow, but I what a story.

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What the heck! I'll join in this rather pointless discussion while the cast and crew of the film are all laughing their way to the bank, literally!

I personally like the theory that everything in the trilogy is just a program being looped over and over again in the "Matrix"... I mean everything we see is still "in the Matrix"...

It is in a way, as the "real" real world is our world now right!?

Headache....

Hey, they should've just put the scene where Neo wakes up to the computer message of "The Matrix has you..." (or something like that) right after the last "sun-coming-up scene" at the very end...

Then you could actually watch the first Matrix film right after the end of the third Matrix film...

The real "never ending story"!

Loop-dee-loop I say! Smile


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Good call Pakur
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How would you compare the sunrise in the matrix with the clouds and sky over the machine city?

Why did the Agent Smith character choose to only send ONE instance between worlds? Would this be similar to the matrix design to have only one anomaly-update?

Of the two personae in conflict, which seemed to have more self determination? Did they both make choices from self interest? philsophical position? social convention?

Any thoughts on why the agent smith character did not persue a path of true self actualization... ie follow the sentiment he expressed in the first movie, and contrast that with the statement in the second film where after becoming a 'free agent' he chooses to oppose Neo.

Any thoughts on the color schemes used? Not a lot of blue skys, snow, mountains, green plants... or for that matter animals or birds or reptiles or fish in this film.

* One could argue that since the only life forms and personae in the film were people, or the avatars of people's ideas, that this story should be discussed as social metaphor. What are your thoughts?

** quick note on the overt media stuff so we can spare ourselves the kiddie dialogue; after some discussion with the average 'KEWL' folks...

1) Agent Smith is KEWL cause he IS like his clothes and has a mission.

2) Agent Smith becomes Bad when he gets angry and loses contact with the matrix control programs.

3) Neo is a model for how people want to be if they had a chance to be effective.

4) Neo is the hero since he chose to take the pill and to fight

5) In the real world Neo is a nobody who makes himself special in the Matrix.

6) Neo is an ideal/hero (archetypal) since he gets taken into the Matrix by himself and at the end gets merged into the Matrix by the thing that controls it (WORLD/GOD??)

* OKAY, THAT'S THE FACILE FINDINGS. Options for more critical analysis are open. *
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Thanks Jason... Smile
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