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On 2012-02-13 19:39, Peter Loughran wrote:
(...) Match sticks are another item we are working with. Jason Palter fooled me badly with them while demoing them to me at our hotel a couple of years ago, great trick! Id like to see them made out of an expensive wood with brass inlay numbers. (...) We plan to release a mix of complicated gimmicked items with items less gimmicked. (...)
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I agree 100% with Killertweety and what he says should be made by the Peter and the Elite team. I would have very little interest in a Match Stick Elite Item, but any of those that Killertweety list and you can bet I am buying and I would bet many others would buy as well.

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IT IS NOT MATCH STICKS!!
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PS there are a lot of factors that go into selecting an item to do in Elite form. It is not as simple as just picking one we think people will like and build it. There are only certain Tenyo tricks we are allowed to make. The selection also has to be approved by Tenyo, and by the creator(s) involved, and also be able to be manufactured in an Elite material. The trick has to be of certain age, and price point or again we are not allowed to do it. It's not as simple as just picking a trick and going with it as everyone thinks it might be. There is so much behind the scenes and so many people involved, that if you really knew, your head would spin!

I can tell you that I believe most people will be very happy and some estatic with the selection, but most of all and first and foremost we must please and honor Tenyo. There will only be a few made, so we know also from a marketing stand point we will have no trouble selling the limited amount we produce. This is a completely different business approach. You will have to trust us.

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Peter, these insights are so helpful. I think a lot of Tenyo fanboys like myself fail to realize the complex business issues with re-inventing and re-releasing these products, complicated by the international protocol and law aspects involved. Thank you.
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Comments seconded.

However, I think (could be wrong) that there's probably as much of a market for buying re-released, classic Tenyo items such as Ultra Tube, as there are for Elite Tenyo. Maybe, for your project to be really successful, it's a case of getting a happy medium between the two?

There must be quite a number of us that cut our magic teeth on Tenyo items in the 70's/80's that we either lost/sold/broke. Items such as Ultra Tube, Squeeze Play, Sandwich Platter, See-Thru Card, High Hats, etc. spring instantly to mind.

Maybe I'm wrong but these items would sell again EVEN if re-released in plastic (albeit higher grade/quality).

What do people think?
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On 2012-12-11 17:48, Peter Loughran wrote:
IT IS NOT MATCH STICKS!!


That's too bad. I would purchase a Tenyo Elite Match Sticks. Keep it in mind for next time.
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Thanks for understanding Wizzard!
Merc, I agree 100% for example I see diabolicus go for well over $100 on eBay. But again, it's not always as simple as just picking a trick. There is a process that a trick must go through before we have permission to go ahead with production. And that is what primarily drives the force behind what we choose to do.

Pierre- I agree Match Sticks is a super effect. It fooled me when I saw it. It's also one of those effects that made out of wood would no longer appear to be a toy, but rather something a scientist or ESP researcher would use to test subjects on their abilities. And made of wood or metal, you certainly could tell a pretty believable story(patter) in your routine, that wasn't possible with the plastic version. However with that said, we are focusing on more challenging builds, and effects that are more popular to the collectors. But one day I'd live to do an elite version of match sticks, even if just for my own private collection.

This is also proof that we are obviously not going to be able to please everyone with our selections. Some people want this and that, and others what that and this. There is no way we can please everyone. No matter what we pick, someone will say..."oh you should have done this one instead" it's a losing battle in that regard, because everyone wants something different. So our focus is on picking ones we think will not only please our fans, but also the collectors and most of all Tenyo! After all this is not a project driven by profit, but rather a labor of love and in honor of Tenyo.

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Hmmm... made out of wood-I am hoping for Crystal Cleaver! My only feedback on producing small runs is please do not produce them in too few of numbers. Balance is important here as I want to make sure I can get one. I would love to have some of the older Magic Wagon runs, but I cannot get them anywhere! That's a perfect example of what happens when too few of an item is produced- many people who would like to buy it are left out.

Can you have pre-order sales to better gauge the interest? This way, anyone who wants one can get one before you scale-up production appropriately.

Good luck on the new item!
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I agree.

You can't only make make 50 of them!

Allow a pre-order period to help you determine the minimum production run that will be produced.
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Thank you for all this information Peter - I do realize it's not easy to choose an item, get approval from Tenyo and produce it.

I agree with meridianfan and pierredan, pre-order sales gives an idea of how many you can produce and be certain they will sell. But it's all up to you guys of course Smile

I'm really looking forward to this item - I have the Elite Fortune Sticks and they are top quality, so we certainly can't go wrong with the quality of your tricks. Now the trick itself of course ... Smile

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I like the Pre-Order Idea as well for you guy's Peter. I think that would be a Win-Win for both those of us who really want and collect this stuff to be able to get one (depending on the effect you are going to make of-course)and you who will then have a very good idea on how many to make. I don't see how that would be a bad thing for anyone unless I am missing something? Hope you all consider it and thanks for doing what you do with Tenyo Elite.

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A second-hand, used Ultra Tube has just sold on ebaY for £190! Smile
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Hope that an Elite Ultra Tube is on the table! Pre-order +1
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Elite Ultra Tube for me too! That's now a Pre-Order of +2 for you Peter.

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Peter

Do you have any time frame on when a new elite item will hit the market? If there are a few past Tenyo releases up for consideration, would taking a poll here help with the decision?
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So many really good items to choose from and a fair amount of stinkers too
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One can only hope that it will be the Tenyo Lion (T-241) as it's so generic and something that everyone can connect with. However, if it should by chance happen to be Ultra-Tube, whether it be made of metal or wood, just be sure that the name "Ultra-Tube" is stamped on the side of it.

Only joking of course. Smile
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Mr. Peter Loughran,

IMO you should try to improve on the Tenyo trick, not just make the same trick out of a different material.

If it is an Ultra Tube you are working on then please try and have it made with a locking gimmick.

Future Sticks is a fantastic trick but very hard to perform do to the difficulty of seeing the gimmick. I think this trick would be more successful if it was placed into a container/case with a peak device.

For Moon Spinner the optical illusion works well, but the transition to a static coin is not good. If the coin could slowly spin down that would make it more convincing. Easier said than done, but something that is possible and would truly make a remarkable trick.

Also I think a focus group of Tenyo enthusiast would be a good idea for future products. There are a lot of talented people who hang around the Tenyo of Japan section of the Café and I think they would enjoy the opportunity to help create a Tenyo Elite product. I know I would. I think you could get a good handle on pricing too from the focus group. IMO the first two releases were too expensive for what they were. I have bought over 500 Tenyo in the past year but never even considered purchasing the Tenyo Elite items.

Best of Luck with your Future Endeavors
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Hi John,

We cannot make any improvements or changes to the prop in its working without concent from Tenyo. And in all honesty, I don't blame Tenyo, these tricks are their children, and I too would want to give permission before someone took one of my inventions and started making changes to it. But we are certainly open to suggestions that we may suggest to Tenyo themselves during the design process of an Elite item, but we cannot guarantee that there will be changes to the overall design or workings of the prop, as it is up to Tenyo to decide that. But again we welcome suggestions on any Tenyo trick.

We are not saying at this time which Tenyo Item we are working on.

Forutne Sticks has already been released, we will not be making changes to existing Tenyo Elite items.

For Moonspinner please see above.

This forum acts as a focus group, we love and encourge folks to come here and talk about Tenyo Elite. However just keep in mind that as we have stated numerous times, it is not just up to the Elite team to make these decisions. Ulitmately Tenyo themselves has the last say in any of our re-productions.

Tenyo Elite items will also be substantially more money then the original plastic versions. For one, not only do they cost a lot more to manufacture that it would be impossible to compete with the retail price of the plastic versions, but it is also in our contract with Tenyo that the Elite editions will be in a higher price bracket so they do not compete with their original plastic versions. And who can blame them.

I have tried to address your questions and suggestions the best that I could.

Thanks for the interest and suggestions.

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