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Bill Hegbli
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This person has already been discussed here, why didn't you join in then?

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=10&6

Other act referenced:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r0rZKvSFoA

You cannot see he is only using magic principles, one being, the larger movement covers the smaller movement.

As for his steals, I think his slow movements just makes his steals scream out, why is your hand always hiding.
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Truly a gorgeous, thoughtful & magical act.
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Hi bill , I know that this was discussed before , but this is a new video .. as for his slow deliberate steels I think they are amazing,invisible and magical as his productions , I would love to see a video of your better steals .i googled your name but nothing appeared maybe you could post a video of your act so we could benefit from your expertise , or maybe the judges at fism were all mistaken when they decided to grant him the grand prix .its really rare when someone like HU JIN come cross by in our magic such act gives me energy to keep learning and be better .. all my love and respect to YO HU GIN .
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I like this version of the act more. The first(FISM) version of it looked good for laymen, but this looks better for me because there are ''harder'' things in this, like open fingers, and fan appears.

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Artist & beautiful!!!!!

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Dahih beik, you said, "I hate this guy."

Not me, I just think he telegraphs all his steals, and you can't see the reasoning behind his justifications for his movements, and you can't, so you have come on the a place like the Café, and ask how they are accomplished.

I am sure the Chavez or Jeff McBride's schools would help you a lot in learning about magic.
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Dahih Belk hasn't asked how Yu Ho Jin accomplishes anything in this thread Bill. He's only expressed admiration and that this performer has motivated him to keep at it and get better.

I saw Yu Ho Jin perform his Grand Prix winning act at FISM this year. It was one of those moments in magic that I will treasure for a long time. The artistry and flawless execution of his performance produced magic the likes of which I have only experienced a few times before. (Richard Ross's act and Harry Blackstone's floating lightbulb being other notable occasions)

It was not only that the stunning magic of Yu Ho Jin left even the most seasoned of manipulators in the audience with their jaws on the floor but the artistry within the performance conveyed so much emotion that it had a palpable effect on those watching. The audience were left with moist eyes and choking back the lumps in their throats. Not something that you normally associate from seeing a manipulation act.

After watching Yu Ho Jin we realised we had just seen something extraordinary and special. The entire FISM audience seemed to realise that the bar for manipulation had just been raised. It felt like a hidden door had been opened and we'd been allowed to step through and witness in awe of a whole new world of something new in magic and manipulation that was being revealed.

I'm glad to hear that Yu Ho Jin's performance has inspired Dahin Belk to continue to learn and become better because if I was a manipulator I think it might have made me consider throwing in the towel.
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Wow, that was friggin' beautiful. What a smooth, fluid routine. Thanks for sharing that Dahih!
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Sealegs, well the OP was only the statement that he hates this guy. I don't hate this guy, but I do not like the slow dreamy movement type of act. If I would have said only I don't like him, you then would want to know why. So I gave my reasons for not liking him.

If he fooled anyone, they weren't watching the act very closely. He does fool anyone. His effects are to small for stage, as without a television camera, no one would see anything in a 5000 seat theater.

Maybe that is why you think they were fooled, they could not see anything.

Sorry, this will not play in Vegas.
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"I hate this guy ..."

I read this as sarcasm, not a literal statement. I figured he was actually quite impressed.
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Michael BAKER and SEALEGS thanx for your words I couldn't say it better ...
OK got me I love this guy (only in a healthy way)lol .
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"This will not play in Vegas" Who cares? That was one of the most beautiful acts in Magic I have ever seen.
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I really think that these coreans are building new standards for magic manipulation , I don't want to under estimate McBride or the chaves , they have served magic and students of magic , but we are looking at a whole new level .
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The thing about Vegas is that there are headliners and then there are smaller acts, just like at a rock concert where there is a main act and a smaller act that might perform between sets of the main act so that the main act has a chance to catch their breath, change costumes, etc. The smaller act is often booked specifically because it is _not_ a showstopping blockbuster. If it _were_ a blockbuster act, it might steal the show from the headliner. The ego of some stars is such that they prefer backup acts that are only so-so talent-wise. Once in a while the smaller act might make the transition to the big-time.

In vaudeville, the old-timers used to talk about having a place to play where they could be bad while they're evolving their act into good so they could play in a place like the Palace in NYC. Sort of like comedians today using a place like the Improv or a small comedy club to try out new material.

I would expect that there are a lot of magic acts in Vegas that are not headliners, just as there are a lot of shows/plays in NYC that are not on Broadway. The dream, of course, would be to make the transition from off-Broadway to The Great White Way or from the small Vegas clubs to the big Vegas clubs. As the Jimmy Van Heusen and Johnny Burke song says about reaching for the stars:
There's nothin' to be ashamed of
If you stub your toe on the Moon
When a dream's at the top of the sky
We-ell, you just have to jump pretty high
But don't give up too soon
If you stub your toe on the Moon!

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Here is another video of the unique act of the tow friends start at 9,33 enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4prIiB0LQew
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That's what is great with magic. There are many styles and this magnific demonstration of skills was not only nice to watch for a non magician but also a master demonstration of manipulation. There are some appearance I had to watch a few times and I am still not sure how he did it.

As Sealegs wrote, such skills may let you throw in the towel.
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I loved the act. Besides some of the aquitments which were surprising to me (and the audience judging from their ooos and ahhs) I think it is the structure and the thinking behind the act that I most admire. I also don't disagree with Bill and am glad he expressed his opinion. Some of his steals, while not visible to me (except a couple times) were sometimes obvious, as when he turned himself sideways to the audience. But that didn't bother me at all probably because it was so well performed and I don't think anyone but a magician would care/notice.

I think the use of black art was really cool as I had not seen it used in that way or purpose before!

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Another discussion on this performer:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=10&5
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The September 1984 and October 1984 issues of GENII featured a two-part series titled "LAS VEGAS ENTERTAINMENT DIRECTORS SPEAK OUT ON MAGIC." Granted that was many years ago. But I think the comments of the entertainment directors would still be useful advice today for anyone aspiring to work Vegas or any other large entertainment venue. The entertainment directors of the Las Vegas Hilton/Flamingo Hilton, the Tropicana Hotel, and the Stardust Hotel were interviewed about what they look for in a magic act. I won't attempt to summarize their comments here. But what they had to say would be valuable to anyone looking to perfect their act and get it booked.

I saw a lecture many years ago (the lecturer's name eludes me for the moment) that focused on the "behind the scenes" aspect of a magic act such as proper application of make-up for the performer. The lecturer even sold customized make-up kits for the attendees, since each person's skin tone and complexion required different choices in make-up. Part of the lecture was about what makes a magic act marketable. The lecturer felt that stage manipulation/dove acts were not very marketable at that time, that Vegas entertainment directors were looking for illusion acts. This was, however, before Lance Burton took his act to Vegas. (I think a big factor in Lance Burton's initial success was his appearance in the "It's Magic" show in Hollywood, which I believe got him the booking on Johnny Carson's Tonight Show, which in turn led to his getting booked in Vegas. And even Lance Burton saw the need to eventually branch out into illusions, which he did quite successfully.)

I think an important (but not necessarily overriding) part of any person's desire to excel in magic is perseverance. One of my favorite inspirational quotes is this one from Calvin Coolidge:
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."

----- Amado "Sonny" Narvaez
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