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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
Been at this for nearly two years now, enjoying the practice time, and each small victory as they come along. Anyway, to the point: I was gifted a couple of gorgeous crisp Canadian silver dollars (1980's), nothing special except right away I felt the difference! The edges of these practically bite into your skin, making palming and transfers that much cleaner. I also have coins with no milling whatsoever, which I tend not to use in edging moves... you can see where this is going eh.. do most coin magicians use fresh milled edges, and along the same line, is this in any way considered dishonest or cheating ?
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cablerock Veteran user 362 Posts |
I don't know who would be qualified to judge such a thing (meaningfully). I think it's fine, and spectators shouldn't even think about it. If you think it feels better and it makes it easier for you to handle the coins, then by all means, do so.
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Do what works best for you.
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danfreed Inner circle West Chester PA 1354 Posts |
One thing you can do with any coin is rub the edges, and even the front and back, onto some violin rosin. It makes them sticky and easier to grip. It's super cheap and lasts forever. You can buy it at musical instrument stores. There are a lot of different kinds, I don't know which is best, but there are threads about it on the Café. I use Bass Supergrip grade 2 and it works well.
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Sir Richard Special user 650 Posts |
Some street magicians like the late Cellini used re-milled coins so they'd "bite" better. Others have followed suit. It's up to you!
Sir Richard.
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jconstantine Special user Long Island New York 566 Posts |
We're magicians its our job to cheat. Lol. So if something makes it easier cleaner more visual then go with it.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Cheating is an interesting word here, since really in "tricking" anyone is doing something they are not quite aware of. So, it's all good. bowers is right here, as is most everyone else on this, do what works for you. If milled edges help then that's a good thing, whatever helps you make it happen.
And you can palm coins without good milled edges, just takes a bit more effort and effectiveness comes with practice like anything else in this stuff. One of my favorite sets to use is an old set of very worn Morgans my grandpa gave me long ago. They have very little milling if much of any. I wanted to use them more importantly for their softness properties, so I worked with the palming to make it happen without much help from milling. So, it can be done but certainly sharper edges can be helpful.
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Tony Thomas Inner circle North Carolina 1248 Posts |
Touché jconstantine & MB...
Dishonesty and cheating? What would you consider an honest magic show? Anyway, I'm not trying to rub it in. I always look for good edges on coins. If the coins don't have good edges, great coin makers like Lassen and Schoolcraft will re-edge them for you for about $15 per coin. It isn't necessary, but it helps if you can afford it. |
David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
I have used Barbar have for 25-30 years That have no milling on then! but as had been said it.s just you and what you get used to!!! I had magician's Say That using soft coins Is cheating! But hay I am a magician that's what we do!!!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2012-12-15 17:37, CarpetShark wrote: One could argue that not using available technology to make your work reliable is cheating yourself as a performer and cheating your audiences out of the most magical looking performances.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea ----- So it Works USE IT!!! Hay I have no shame !!!
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Bob Magic New user San Diego, California 90 Posts |
It depends upon the use of the coins. For most routines sharp milling is not necessary. I have long time friend, Terry Godfrey, who works Fairs mostly and he recently had his Morgans re-milled. His stage act includes T. Nelson Downs' difficult Coin Star, Roll Down Flourish. 40 Coin Miser's dream and other manipulations and need the sharp milling for grip. I don't believe a re-miiled coin would qualify as gimmicked or using them cheating although re-milling does reduce the diameter of the coin slightly.
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All this talk about cheating ??? Are you guys trying to tell me magic isn't real??? whats next? Santa, the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy? I am going to have to take the train to Hogwarts Academy and ask Harry Potter if you guys are just fooling with me.
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ralphs007 Inner circle 1087 Posts |
If you ain't cheating you ain't trying ! Lol
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CarpetShark Special user 576 Posts |
Wow, so many responses in such a short time! Thanks to all who answered, I appreciate your time. There clearly is a need for both sharp, and 'dull' edges in my opinion... to pull off a convincing Miser's Dream, for instance, would be (at least for me) very difficult, whereas trying to muscle-pass the same coins might be a problem. Another example is trying to CP three or more coins - much easier if they bite!
Staying on topic, here's something for other beginners to try: get yourself the smallest i.e. sharpest file you can find, then, using a couple of junk coins the same size as those you use normally, remill the thing using relatively deep cuts. Make sure to remove any burrs or rough spots, then place this coin in CP and squeeze! You end up developing callouses exactly where you need them. I'm using this now to 'bump' up callouses on my index fingers for the JW grip. David, just a quick note to say I enjoy your coin work very much. Cheers |
David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Hay thanks C.S.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
There's no cheating in magic!!
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Yea RIGHT!!!
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