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Swift wolf
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Hey guys
I am an Australian who lives in NSW and I am wanting to get into escapology.
It's not to easy to get your hands on a set of handcuffs due to laws I was wondering if anyone has gone through the same process of getting your hands on a set of handcuffs and the correct licence to carry a pair as an escape artist

Thanks any help is greatly appriciated
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Please go into your profile and add your Email & Website if you have one. Ian will be along shortly to answer some question directly Please remember that he's a professional builder so you might be tempted to purchase his goods. (this is a good thing)

Welcome to the Café.
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Jay I wouldn’t hold your breath over Ian chiming in any time soon I think he has pulled out as it just isn’t worth it! On many fronts!
Swift where about in Australia do you live? It may be worth looking Ian up for yourself. It’s not hard to get in touch and buy from him; he will be well up on the laws!
Regards handcuffs being imported I don’t know how strict Ausie import rules are on handcuffs (well on the TV program we watch they don’t let ANYTHING in if they can help it – especially biological). You may be able to find someone in the USA or elsewhere that is prepared to send on with a note saying something like “for entertainment purposes only” or “made for magicians” – not saying it would work but it might. I would suggest a cheap pair first just in case it doesn’t. Also you should look at the import tax laws – you can end up paying a load on top of the purchase price due to import duties.
His kit is very well made and sought after by the professional and part time EAs around the world. It lasts and will never let you down – rarely will you need to replace kit – which in a way is bad business sense – but he “isn’t in it” for the money alone. If you can get any of his publications as well they are well worth it.
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Hi, I sent the Australian Customs a message about a week ago about importing handcuffs.
This is what he said;
Hand cuffs are not restricted by customs but you need to check with state police as possession of these goods in some states are restricted.
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Then check with your state police ...... I would say that you can get away with a lot, if it is for theatrical reasons - if you are performing in a theatre, someone’s home, a non-public place then I suspect it will be OK – as long as you don’t assault anyone with them. They have been used as knuckle dusters I hear. Doesn’t mean you should test my theory – just pop in and see the police. If you are a law abiding Australian (avoiding the jokes about you all being a bunch ………well at least the decedents of a load of convicts ……) then why would the police come and search your house. I suspect you can get away with owning stuff as long as no one is any the wiser. But there is always the risk of them being found somehow.

So all in all it is probably best to drop them an email or give them a ring. In my experiences over here the police have always been very good and want to take part in stuff –very much “up for it”.
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Dave spot on regards Ian,,,what a pity to lose a good one over a couple of bad ones. As you can see on other threads here its a matter of the blind teaching the blind!!

Ians input will be missed.

Ken.
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I think a lot can be learnt from the other thread swift wolf ..... But you will need to think about what you are seeing and how you utilise that knowledge to guide you.

But I really would get in touch quickly with Ian if I were you!

Ken ...... Wondered if you could do some teaching at UKEA next year?
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On 2012-12-19 12:44, dave_matkin wrote:
I think a lot can be learnt from the other thread swift wolf ..... But you will need to think about what you are seeing and how you utilise that knowledge to guide you.

But I really would get in touch quickly with Ian if I were you!

Ken ...... Wondered if you could do some teaching at UKEA next year?


Swift wolf- ever thought about chains and padlocks? Ropes zip ties? Are you going to use gimmicked or standard locks?
I started with a set of smith abd wesson 100's cluld be worth contacting isn for a pair of those? Any one can but a prop. But few will use the real deal
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On 2012-12-19 12:44, dave_matkin wrote:
I think a lot can be learnt from the other thread swift wolf ..... But you will need to think about what you are seeing and how you utilise that knowledge to guide you.

But I really would get in touch quickly with Ian if I were you!

Ken ...... Wondered if you could do some teaching at UKEA next year?


Swift wolf- ever thought about chains and padlocks? Ropes zip ties? Are you going to use gimmicked or standard locks?
I started with a set of smith abd wesson 100's cluld be worth contacting isn for a pair of those? Any one can but a prop. But few will use the real deal

Dave/ken -awesome idea. I would try to make that meeting! If we could get a mix of generations and experience it would be well worth it!
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Yes, been productive on the Café in other forms without a few people stealing the topics with off remarks!
Anyways,

Swift wolf, there are lots of other stuff for escapes besides cuffs - james_unlimited stated a few good ones.

Find a few videos and books on escapees to learn more. Also, join http://tiesociety.webs.com for free monthly newsletter on variety of escape topics and some interesting info as well.

Jay Lesley has some items for sell too!
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On 2012-12-19 12:44, dave_matkin wrote:
I think a lot can be learnt from the other thread swift wolf ..... But you will need to think about what you are seeing and how you utilise that knowledge to guide you.

But I really would get in touch quickly with Ian if I were you!

Ken ...... Wondered if you could do some teaching at UKEA next year?


Swift Wolf- Have you ever thought about chains and padlocks? Ropes, zip ties? Are you going to use gimmicked or standard locks?
I started with a set of Smith and Wesson model 100's could be worth contacting Ian McColl for a pair of those? But remember any one can buy a prop. But few will use the real deal, and be able to escape.

Dave/Ken -Awesome idea. I would try to make that meeting! If we could get a mix of generations and experience it would be well worth it!


Apologies for all the typo's (Dam iPhone)
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On 2012-12-19 12:59, james_unlimited wrote:
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On 2012-12-19 12:44, dave_matkin wrote:
I think a lot can be learnt from the other thread swift wolf ..... But you will need to think about what you are seeing and how you utilise that knowledge to guide you.

But I really would get in touch quickly with Ian if I were you!

Ken ...... Wondered if you could do some teaching at UKEA next year?


Swift Wolf- Have you ever thought about chains and padlocks? Ropes, zip ties? Are you going to use gimmicked or standard locks?
I started with a set of Smith and Wesson model 100's could be worth contacting Ian McColl for a pair of those? But remember any one can buy a prop. But few will use the real deal, and be able to escape.

Dave/Ken -Awesome idea. I would try to make that meeting! If we could get a mix of generations and experience it would be well worth it!


Apologies for all the typo's (Dam iPhone)


James here is my standard dyslexia joke for such times.....

What smelling errors? It looked fine to me!
Swift wolf
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Hey thanks for all the help and sorry for the late reply.
I defiantly will try and get in touch with Ian sounds like he could help. I do believe that handcuffs are restricted in some way shape of form. I was thinking about popping in to the police station to see if I can get some answers and define what I can and can't get and stuff.

Different types of escapes have slipped my mind oddly enough, but I think it is defiantly something I will look into now that I have had a nudge in the direction. I would much prefer to use standard locks and cuffs and only if I really need to use gimmicked ones.

will defiantly sign up for the tie society newsletters they sound like they could groovie.
Thanks for all the wicked help!!
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Hi Swift Wolf,

As I see it, you have two ways to go to learn escapes these days. You can but books/videos on the subject. Many of us can recommend good escape books, and the above posted Jay Leslie sells very useful and strong videos on a couple of different escapes. That is one way to go, but there is a problem. Like magic, if you study on your own you can develop bad habits that may prove hard to break later.

So the second is to find an escape artist and have him train you. Getting trained will allow to correct errors quickly, and not develop the bad habits in the first place.

How did I learn? A bit of both. I had teachers for a few things and books and video for some others.

Hope that helps.
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There is also a great DVD by Harley Newman but he isn't get paid for it so I won't recommend it! But if you see it and have a brain you will (hopefully- not everyone will) 'get it'. No methods as such but great content. Shame Harley was not properly remunerated for it!
Swift wolf
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Hey Guys got in touch with Ian (or he got in touch with me -legend) and we are consorting through email.

I talked to him about the regulations with handcuffs in Australia NSW he was spot on I also popped into the local police station and asked them. the Aus NSW laws depict that that a a civilian can not posses a pair of cuffs without a security licence and you usually need a job that requires them. unless they are gimmicked.

So it looks like I will have to settle for gimmicked cuffs. What are your guys opinion on a set of Smith and Wesson 100 gimmicked cuffs as a first set of cuff's?

Thanks cliff that is helpful I might have a look around see if I can find someone on the area that might be able to teach me a bit. everything I have learnt so far has been through books or DVD's.

Thanks for all the help guys!
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If you get your cuffs from Ian, the S&W 100's are fine. I have had his cuffs examined on stage and proclaimed real. You do need to exercise some degree of audience control, but it does work. I have no clue what the local Australian police use, but here in California, S&W 100's are very common among cops, and so people get to see what they expect to see.
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And if you're "cheeky" enough and get a pair of Hiatt "speedcuffs" with 4 screws you can remove the plastic central piece and put them over the S&W and they will pass as Hiatt Speedcuffs - (unless your audience member looking at them can read! - but it’s worth the risk in my mind). Or you could get a pair of Hiatts and S&W then you can use the Hiatts in the casing and the S&W separate!
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How many audience members either know or care about a make or style of cuffs? I've never run into it, in about 40 years. Never.
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Agreed Harley!
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