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shakuni
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@Sir Richard

Is it available as a video or print?
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Here is the video performance of Bob Kohler's U3F...
http://youtu.be/nso32B8cxIA
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On 2012-12-22 10:25, shakuni wrote:
@Sir Richard

Is it available as a video or print?
It's on DVD. You'll have to contact Rob by email so here's his site: http://www.robthompson.com/ Click on "Contact" and you should be okay.. Good luck my friend!

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You could also get the flying tonight dvd which is a ton of three fly routines gaffed and ungaffed.
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Someone selling one here with the coins and the vhs instructional tape.

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Shakuni,
Sir Richard said it best, it's really all about entertaining them. Having been the Holiday Inn Magician for 6.5 years and doig a 3 fly several times a night either in the restaurant or at the bar, it's totally about the entertainment factor. My thoughts are, sorry you don't get to play with them toys. I finish one routine then quickly move to the next one in the routine of 3, I don't give them time to think about even asking to see the coins..
Hope this helps..maybe you need to start with a Scotch & Soda which is left in their hands to examine before trying a 3 Fly routine...
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Just for discussion, my retro fly on volume one of the nycms DVD set uses an extra coin, but has a cleanup to finish that leaves you clean, no extra coin to be found, examinable, and will cost you two bucks for the coins, and the price of the dvd (or my lecture notes). Then you can use the three hundred bucks that you save on something more important.
Just a thought.
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If you feel you must hand out the coins at the end of the effect, who says those coins must be the ones actually used?

In my favorite "hands never touch" 3Fly I use coins selected by spectators from a basket of many coins, then return the coins at the end. I switch in a TUC and out again during the transfer process.
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I never allow a spectator to examine a prop, even if they could, even if it makes the effect stronger. Why? Prop examination is BORING. I'm trying to entertain them.
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So true bill.the effect should be enough.
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On 2012-12-22 01:38, shakuni wrote:
Hi Sir,

It may be magician's guilt...


You think that the spectator feels you must have a fourth coin... and that is because most spectators DO suspect that you have a fourth coin! They surely know that you aren't making real magic happen. So they will suspect one of the two alternatives you seem to fear.

I don’t believe the answer is to look for an examinable gaff. Magicians have been deceiving and amazing spectators for centuries without having to resort to "examinable gaffs"! Creative routining, great sleight of hand, and careful audience management is how it is done.

To be honest it sounds like you might not be ready to perform a 3-Fly routine for people. Work on it some more first. Please! Smile

Jim


Shak, this is all about true enough from your side of it and Mac's, I'd say. And I would agree mores than not that you are over-thinking the effect a bit, and not being more actually familiar with it is getting the best of you. I still say that the best 3 Fly is Chris Kenner's original take on it, very simple and not hard to do with practice - a good place to start. Smile Certainly gaffs can help it be even more but at a price just for one effect. To each his own with all that but there are easier ways to skin a cat that takes a bit more work but well worth it in so many ways as Mac sorta mentions here. Don't let your mind control you, as what it is really doing is "challenging" you to use the things "within" you to achieve what you want. Smile

Here's how I get it done and never even entertain specs supposedly needing such closer examination as I believe they are too busy with the magic of it all. Smile And this all began with the basic 3 Fly and creatively grew into so much more, much as I did also along the way. Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxTF04vddfo
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Shakuni your way of thinking is totally wrong. You don't need an excellent coin gaff to hide your lack in sleight of hand.. Be patient and you will be rewarded. Learn the sleights that will make you do any trick in any place anytime.
Don't worry about the extra coin in any coin routine. Everything is clean at the end!! The only thing you need is practice..
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Shakuni your way of thinking is totally wrong. You don't need an excellent coin gaff to hide your lack in sleight of hand.. Be patient and you will be rewarded. Learn the sleights that will make you do any trick in any place anytime.
Don't worry about the extra coin in any coin routine. Everything is clean at the end!! The only thing you need is practice..


A little late getting back to this table, but I completely agree with my friend niko here.

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Rannie got the gaffus managed. You show three ordinary coins to start and after the transit you have three ordinary coins for them to look at. And two empty hands.
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You can always be Juan Tamariz, tell them that they had already examined the coins, and they believe you.

only partially kidding. There are approaches that allow spectators to handle coins in which they believe they have handled all of the coins. The concept of having spectators "examine" coins always feels wrong to me, while having them casually handle coins during a performance the most natural think in the world.
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There are approaches that allow spectators to handle coins in which they believe they have handled all of the coins. The concept of having spectators "examine" coins always feels wrong to me, while having them casually handle coins during a performance the most natural think in the world.


Perfectly stated, Ken!

Jim
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I agree with the statement "don't run when your not being chased"however, what I do after nearly all coin tricks is a false transfer of the coins from right hand to left hand and tell the spectator to check out the coins, when they hold out their hand, tap it with your empty hand.this gets a laugh,takes the heat off the coins, and further entertains them.
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I let people examine my coins often, not because I want them to check for gaffs or gimmicks, but rather because I use unusual coins (old Chinese coins, Korean amulets, counterfeits, etc). I use these topics in my patter. So, there is a motivation for them to take a closer look, and sometimes it gives me a nice misdirection moment. But this motivation is outside of the magic and its methodology. In fact, in our presentation of an effect, gaffs and gimmicks shouldn’t exist in the mind of the spectator. Then, why suggesting their existences by asking the spectators to verify if there is any of these tools? If you want to establish in the mind of your audience that your coins are real, find a motivation, a presentation that suggests that fact.
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On 2013-01-03 14:27, mago.niko wrote:
Shakuni your way of thinking is totally wrong. You don't need an excellent coin gaff to hide your lack in sleight of hand.. Be patient and you will be rewarded. Learn the sleights that will make you do any trick in any place anytime.
Don't worry about the extra coin in any coin routine. Everything is clean at the end!! The only thing you need is practice..


A little late getting back to this table, but I completely agree with my friend niko here.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UdMhOo6Ytw


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As someone whose performed both gaffed/non gaffed versions....I have to say the U3F is certainly one of the cleanest methods I've come across. You can hand out the coins in the beginning if you wanted to but I generally do not...don't really see the need. I simply display all 3 coins, perform the effect, show 3 coins in the end and you're done. Its worked for me anyway.
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