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akschulz
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Ok, I should have asked for specific effects or routines that are good for this situation, not ways of dealing with it through our various individual types of personalities. I'll admit, Frank set me off a bit calling me a newbie. That's ok though. You guys don't know me at all I take it and I AM a newvbie to the forum. It seems those of you who share Franks opinion, like themagicguy, do identify with the problem in general though since you admit it used to happen to you more than it does now. But I suppose its more useful to encourage discussion of magic EFFECTS or specific ROUTINES meant to deal with this situation. For example, when you realize you have this spectator, do you change your repertoire at all, go to a particular effect sooner, etc?

Also, thanks S2000magician, I agree that the danger is that of losing control by always doing what they ask. And Bostonzero: I couldn't access the blog due to some sort of restriction on the site but it sounds interesting.
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On 2012-12-22 17:17, S2000magician wrote:

The problem with this approach is that you relinguish control of the show:


Careful, there are some trolls on this site that will out you for not spelling "relinquish" correctly. They are known as the "spelling/grammar" police. They have extremely low self esteem and are driven to make themselves look smarter than they are.

We'll have your back when it happens!
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Don Alan had an issue with Henny Youngman of all people, when he did a TV appearance. Don took care of it the way he would anyone else. Complete silence. Just let him ramble till he was done and made it pretty clear the show wasn't going to go that way. It was his show under his direction.

But this comes with experience.


Danny, it was amazing to see Don do this. It was on The Mike Douglas Show and they were at a round table. Henny was acting like a carnival barker and talking over Mike's introduction of Don. As Don was going to start his routine, Henny started up again. Don's stare at him was priceless.
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Sorry about that, I have it on another site, you can check it out here if you'd like.
http://malden.patch.com/blog_posts/magic-mondayummm-tuesday
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On 2012-12-22 18:42, Dannydoyle wrote:
Don Alan had an issue with Henny Youngman of all people, when he did a TV appearance. Don took care of it the way he would anyone else. Complete silence. Just let him ramble till he was done and made it pretty clear the show wasn't going to go that way. It was his show under his direction.

But this comes with experience.


Danny, it was amazing to see Don do this. It was on The Mike Douglas Show and they were at a round table. Henny was acting like a carnival barker and talking over Mike's introduction of Don. As Don was going to start his routine, Henny started up again. Don's stare at him was priceless.


The truth is that all the "heckler stopper" lines are tough to use because 9 out of 10 times they are not within your own charecter. So you look like a dope doing them.

The other thing that Don told me was once you start down that road, if the guy is the problem and not your script where does it stop? He says something, then you say something and he says something and it escelates. Silence stops that and shows them who is in control of your show. It also gets the audience on your side because they know things are slowing down because of him and again 9 out of 10 times THEY shut him down for you and you look killer. But again that comes with experience.

Magicians always think there is a line or a trick or whatever. Those are just not the answer most times.
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I totally agree Danny(Doyle). Its not in my character, for one example, to use heckler stopper lines. I do suspect, however, that certain effects are better than others to use when confronted with this person. I've often found to my surprise that after calmly enduring this person and continuing on with my stuff this person becomes my biggest fan. Nevertheless, as I mention in my original post, I still sometimes go away feeling as if I'd failed in some respect. Not really failed, of course, but just a general feeling that the approach to this person could be better.

For example, I've noticed that unexpected productions or transformation of objects changes the dynamic from one of a challenge situation to one of utter surprise and often delight. This is the kind of thing I have in mind; no, no single effect is enough to deal with this situation, but, generally, some effects must be better suited to it.
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Taking your ego out of it deals with it better than anything.
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When I have been contracted to do table hopping and I have an "Hey let me see that I can do magic too" show-off at the table who decides they want to be the star of the show, I say..."Great....I'll just sit here and get paid while you entertain us...THANKS!"

And either stand there quietly or, if convenient, just grab a chair and sit down, staring at them and saying nothing, smiling broadly.

It doesn't take long for them, or a friend telling them in a nice way, that they should let the Magician do the Magic....
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On 2012-12-22 17:17, S2000magician wrote:

The problem with this approach is that you relinguish control of the show:

Careful, there are some trolls on this site that will out you for not spelling "relinquish" correctly. They are known as the "spelling/grammar" police. They have extremely low self esteem and are driven to make themselves look smarter than they are.

We'll have your back when it happens!

Thanks. I'll keep my eyes pealed [sic].

;)
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Brian Gillis was on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson several times. In one appearance Buddy Hacket was being himself and doing jokes after every line. Brian wisely went with it and the whole thing was hilarious. On another occasion, after a card effect, Johnny palmed a few cards and put them and reproduced them from within his jacket. Brain laughed and patted him on the back.

As others have pointed out we have to be open to more dynamics than "I'm the performer, you're the audience".
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Something I like to do is come up with a couple tricks and have a CRAZY explanation. I do coins from one hand to the other one at a time and have a kid use my magic one. And I tell them after about the 3rd one how it "works". I tell them I have a string that runs up my arm; down my leg; up the other leg; and back into the other hand. But this can work other ways. Harry Anderson's Grappler Routine! Check that out.

Also... find a trick where they can touch you. Let them hold your wrists and watch the dollar change into a $100. Or whatever.

Also... if doing card tricks I do ambitious card and teach them how I do it... then start doing it other ways.
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Thanks Siralsi. This is the kind of thing I had in mind
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Siralsi's advice was fine, but if that's what you had in mind for a solution to your problem, then you still don't have an actual solution to your problem.

It's not about impressing the heckler - I do realize that you've had experiences, as have we all, where you "win over" the heckler who then becomes "your biggest fan"

But you have to realize that it's not your job to please every last person, especially the ones who are hostile. You wind up wasting time on one person who doesn't like you, when you could've spent that time entertaining a dozen others who do like you

The reality is you've gotten a number of excellent, honest, accurate responses to your initial question - you just haven't liked the answers
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You're Very Welcome askchulz

And Avocat... I was being general. I always like to try to win people over. That's who I am. But we are all different. But also... when I sense I can't win them over I don't try. And teaching them and fooling them... that doesn't always win them over... but it makes their friends laugh. But hecklers don't become your biggest fan... they just accept you sometimes.

What I suggest is play around. What works for me... well works for me... but it doesn't for everyone. Things that work for others don't work for me. I would suggest looking at the other posts also... and our job isn't to please everyone... but I believe it IS to try to please them all.

All and all; though; experience will tell you what to do!
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Also... I re-read your post here to make sure I didn't miss the point.. and I just kinda did with my last post... I just wanted to say the magic isn't ONLY about magic... but it is Entertainment. So remember you don't have to show them up (though if you can... it's always fun... but can be challenging I'm sure you know) just make them want to see you again. Make them smile... if you can't wow them make them laugh or smile and you've won!
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Without presuming things about others' personalities and performance styles, the one subject we can all objectively discuss is structure and routines, that is, types of effects, types of routines, hands-on vs. hands-off, etc. Its not helpful for us to go around assuming things about others' personality or style; at best it generates simple platitudes (be nice, don't take yourself too seriously, etc) and at worst it can be just plain offensive.

Its not that I disagree with the posts about personality or style, or that I've disliked them. They were just not posts about what I was trying to get at. And it is not MY problem, it is a problem we ALL of us identify with (evidenced by the posts in this thread), and with which we all deal very differently, and so we will all have different suggestions as to what personality or style works best. I mean look at Gazzo in the UK: very offensive, crude, full of one-liners and put-downs, takes himself very seriously even though he's a street performer. Its not my style but imagine he were on the forum suggesting we all be more like him. It works for him, great! Lets move on to more objective stuff.
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Fine, Danny, you insist on assuming its a matter of personal style, I take it. I think you're right. But, is there anything ELSE to discuss on the matter or are the trees not relevant at all to the forest?
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