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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-12-25 22:43, LobowolfXXX wrote: I agree with you Lobo. But don't you find it just a bit ironic that you, as a vegan, have chosen the screen name of a carnivore? :eek: |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Unlike my capacity to eat meat, I embrace and frequently exercise my capacity for irony.
Merry Christmas btw, Bob...I hope it's been a good one.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
It's been great Lobo! Hope yours was too.
Have a great New Year! Bob |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On 2012-12-25 22:43, LobowolfXXX wrote: Yes it does. Each individual homosapien on the planet is an omnivore. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Well, we have a semantic difference, and not a real one, as we're simply disputing a definition, so there's no real furthering the debate. It's simply a matter of what definition you choose to accept. Since the one I was using anyway coincides with my dictionary's primary definition, I'll continue to use it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Like you said, we as a species are omnivorous. As a member of that species you are omnivorous. You are an omnivore regardless of what your enlarged brain encourages you to do.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
First and foremost, the word applies to individuals. Individuals are the ones doing the eating. To say that a species is omnivorous flows from observations about I dividual members of that species, not vice versa. We draw conclusions about the group from observing the individuals. We observe 10 peope; 9 eat animals and plants, and the other eats plants only. We then say, "people are omnivorous," because as a group they eat both. But that definition doesn't apply to the 10th member. We don't define the group first, THEN apply that definition to individuals regardless of their behavior. To say otherwise is like saying that a bird that flew into a windmill and permanently lost its wings is "winged" because as a group, birds have wings.
But that's just Noah Webster's, Bob's, and my opinion; you've got Ed in your corner, and you're welcome to use your own dictionary, or find or write one that uses definitions you prefer. Omnivores eat both plant and animal food. I do not eat both plant and animal food. Hence, I am not an omnivore. What is true of a group need not be true of each individual member of that group. Ascribing a group's characteristic to each of thst group's members is the "whole to part" fallacy, aka the "fallacy of division."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
Is it that important to you Magicfish that Lobo accepts your point of view? Get over it man.......it is just, as he said, semantics at this point. He as an individual identifies himself as an herbivore, in the words of Paul McCartney...."Let it be." If you are this pushy about a simple definition, I'd hate to be involved in a conversation with you about your religion.....lol
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
One thing that makes our species different than others its use of language as response to a primal threat. Squid use something similar when attacking prey and for social purposes. But we have gone a step beyond - to something that can leave artifacts.
Anyone got a word that starts with the letter F which involves use of language? I was thinking fart but that's the wrong end and sensory system.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
How about "fabricate"?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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foreva.infiniti Regular user 6 Posts a + a 6 Posts = 116 Posts |
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Im conflicted. This is both funny and offensive. Time to flip a coin like Harvey Dent.
Colors are Foreva. Numbers are Infinite. 4 every number there's a color. HEY! Eternity! Lets smoke a beer and drink some loud. But wait! I heard you was a six a plus a 6 ahhhh.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2012-12-26 00:59, LobowolfXXX wrote: not sure that works - here's the MWebster entry online: Quote:
fab·ri·cat·edfab·ri·cat·ing looking for language specific - used in ways directed at changing the behavior of others. ProtoRhetoric? Need an F word.
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
How about my FIST......I use the tool that word describes when I am confronted with a primal threat......and the occasional as*hole.
And used correctly that can quickly change the behavior of others......LOL |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2012-12-25 23:52, magicfish wrote: NO! NO! NO! It's interesting that you've avoided answering my argument altogether. We as a species cannot be categorized accurately by any ordinary scientific taxonomy. This debate is almost certainly proof of that. Wolves eat what wolves eat, bears eat what bears eat, fish eat what fish eat, and so on. But humans are different: we eat what we want to eat, and we prepare it with ritual and art, and we lay down dietary rules for ourselves, and we make cultural and individual choices. In all the pseudo-philosophic musings regarding the difference between humans and other animals, how we eat may be up there at the top of the list. But let me give you another: reproduction. Once again: wolves mate as wolves mate, bears mate as bears mate, fish mate as fish mate, and so on. But humans are different: our sexuality is controlled not merely by biological urges, but by culture, choice, and non-biological desires like love and romance. Everyone: just think for a moment about the implications of the pill. We human beings have largely (not 100%, I would concede) divorced our sexuality from the natural results of reproduction. We reproduce nearly at will, and have sex even when we have no desire to reproduce. This is what I mean when I say that the human species has jumped the evolutionary bandwagon. We make choices that are not determined by secret, unknown urges. We are self-conscious of our own evolutionary history, which must needs affect how that history can proceed forward. If "free will" means anything, it means that I am not bound by my genes. I can reproduce at will (or not), and I can choose my diet. I can eat vegan, kosher, or become a saucier. For me, food is culture, not fuel. OK, sorry for the rant. I've just read waaayyyy too many books on evolution to think that scientists can even approach answering any of their own questions regarding human beings any time in the near future. I know FOR A FACT that they cannot do it today. And if any of you think they can, you've got some reading to do. They don't. They guess and they speculate. Then someone like Magicfish comes along and declares it as scientific fact. It's not. |
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
So, to pass the time during the Holidays, I decided to jump into the middle of some threads and then use my powers of deduction to figure out what the OP was about. This page has me beat...
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
It's about human nature. Humans are violent. Very much so. So some would have it that guns have little to do with human violence--human nature has to do with human violence. Now, some would also have it that we ought to curb human violence. But does that mean curbing human violence against humans, or against other animals as well? That took us to hunting, which took us to vegetarianism, which took us to a discussion of whether human beings are carnivores or omnivores, which took us to a discussion of what those terms mean. Meanwhile, I try to question what the term "human being" means, and seriously suspect that human beings are not simply homo sapiens sapiens but have evolved past the point of what we mean by evolution. And there the discussion drops, because I tend to bore the crap out of everybody.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On 2012-12-26 00:03, LobowolfXXX wrote: Lobo, this is false. The opposite is true. The word applies to the group, not the individual. But we're obviously not swaying one another. So I will leave this one as is. Happy Boxing day to you sir. |
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David Marcus New user 3,375.97 miles outside of Paris, France. 81 Posts |
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On 2012-12-26 05:36, stoneunhinged wrote: There's a bear that comes around my yard often and he's partial to baked beans and molasses. Does that make him a "Beanivore"? Or maybe he's a "Molassaraptor". Quote:
On 2012-12-26 05:36, stoneunhinged wrote: That's the thing. Humans sometimes mate as dogs do, sometimes as spoons, even as missionaries. And of course there's "Pisces Style" although that way alone won't result in reproduction. To quote Utah Philips, "It's good though!"
“Next to music, beer was best.” - Carson McCullers
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2012-12-26 01:23, w_s_anderson wrote: The fist appears to be an opposable thumb development. Though not language phenomenon - as distinct from the general "fight" which is one of the established four "f"s - an for some reason also on some closeup pads. Looking for a suitable F word to give us a fifth F
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-12-26 09:53, magicfish wrote: Boxing day? More proof that you and Lobo are on different pages, when it comes to language. :)
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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