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Gary T. Veteran user 375 Posts 
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Didn't read all of this forum, but you need practice, and a lot of it, tempted to make a video response to attempt to help you out a bit, but I'm not sure where to even start.
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Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts
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I have honestly never read a single page of it. Am I really missing so much?
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Gary T. Veteran user 375 Posts
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I read the first few, and skimmed the first few on the last page..... also, are you pointing your camera in a mirror or something? why is your shirt all backwards?
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Gary T. Veteran user 375 Posts
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Pretend billy-one's post isn't in the middle of my two, my internet is being horrible so the edit button wouldn't work for me to add the thoughts I forgot into it
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Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts
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Gary T.
You can add onto mine, as a starting off point...or change what I have said, perhaps diffrent perspectives will help. Billy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfGgtTE2gE |
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 458 Posts
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Card College is my recommendation for where beginners should start as well. There are, of course, other good starter books out there, but Card College is the most accessible both in terms of availability and readability.
Nicholas - from what I can see of your card magic in this video, it's probably a good idea to start at the very beginning. You can find Card College 1 for about $35 on Amazon: http://amzn.to/X4Fg7s If that's not an investment you're willing to make in your own magic, then there is very little anyone will be able to do to help you. If you make the investment and get serious about studying it, then hopefully videos like this will become a thing of your past. I know you said you don't have any magic books yet. It's about time you changed that if you want to become competent with sleight of hand. It's hard to deny: When someone who handles cards as well as Tony Chang (liquidsn) so definitively recommends you pick up that book, it's probably a good idea to listen.
Michael Feldman
www.michaelfeldman.com Or follow me on Twitter - @magicianmike And Instagram - @magicianmichaelfeldman Check out my newest book with Ryan Plunkett: A New Angle https://www.ryancplunkett.com/project/anewangle |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2013-01-03 22:36, mfeld wrote: Yes, private lessons and/or mentorship are useless. Quote:
On 2013-01-03 22:36, mfeld wrote: Of course, if someone else that is as skilled as Tony Chang is diametrically opposed to that book, then who is right? sey P.S. No, I am NOT referring to myself-- just pointing out how problematic this is. |
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mfeld Elite user San Francisco 458 Posts
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On 2013-01-03 22:54, Steven Youell wrote: Let's set the sarcasm aside for a moment. My post was a genuine attempt to provide meaningful advice on the level that seems appropriate for what I've seen so far. The magic I saw in the video demonstrates a profound lack of understanding for what goes on in a magic effect and what makes magic good or bad. It seems that Nicholas is missing the basic building blocks that any discrete advice would try to build on top of. He is missing the fundamentals that he would even need to accept and truly understand the advice. Card College 1 can help with that, but until he has the fundamentals, it does not seem to me that the advice that can fit in a thread post or PM is going to be of much use. Recommending Card College and linking to a place that Nicholas can buy the book inexpensively is a genuine attempt to point Nicholas in the right direction from where he is right now so he can truly improve. Sure. If Nicholas wants to invest in private lessons or find a full-time mentor to teach those real fundamentals, that would obviously be great, but that seems like a larger leap than just picking up the basic book and starting from there. -- As for the hypothetical regarding a card handler of equal quality objecting to Card College as fervently as Tony recommends it, I'll wait to see if there's a time when that happens. In the meantime, I myself independently highly recommend Card College volume 1. I think its the best starting tool there is and it is almost always my recommendation for a first book.
Michael Feldman
www.michaelfeldman.com Or follow me on Twitter - @magicianmike And Instagram - @magicianmichaelfeldman Check out my newest book with Ryan Plunkett: A New Angle https://www.ryancplunkett.com/project/anewangle |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2013-01-03 23:16, mfeld wrote:
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Let's set the sarcasm aside for a moment. OK Quote:
On 2013-01-03 23:16, mfeld wrote: What if I told you in public that your advice demonstrates a profound lack of understanding on how to teach magic? Don't you think doing that in private would be more beneficial to all involved? Those reading this? You? Me? Quote:
On 2013-01-03 23:16, mfeld wrote: He needs to learn discernment, which you cannot learn from just books. It requires much more than that and I'm not talking about humiliating him in public. Quote:
On 2013-01-03 23:16, mfeld wrote: I understand that you meant no harm and were genuinely trying to help. I'm sorry if I gave you the opposite impression. Quote:
On 2013-01-03 23:16, mfeld wrote: It's already happened. Just because someone doesn't post their opinion online or in public doesn't mean it didn't. And just for the record-- this has nothing to do with Tony, per se. I highly respect him and his ability. But that doesn't mean he and I have to agree on everything. At one time we had an argument, however at the last MagicCon, we had a conversation that I'll value for the rest of my life. Having said all of that, the last thing I want in my life right now is a heated argument. Nicholas isn't posting in this thread anymore and I can feel the temperature increasing. I will, therefore, stop annyoing you! LOL sey |
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Gary T. Veteran user 375 Posts
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Well, as for my video, I shot it, but I can't get it to upload because my internet is being horrible, I'll try to post it tomorrow.
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gdw Inner circle 4817 Posts
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On 2012-12-30 14:34, Harry Lorayne wrote: Doesn't that, potentially, weaken magic as a whole? That is, the opinions of people like yourself can have great influence in guiding others. That is why people look to reviews and comments of others. To help guide them through the crap.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." I won't forget you Robert. |
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8486 Posts
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I guess it's all according to WHOSE reviews, WHOSE comments. Then, choices need to be made. I guess. I read DEFINITE statements here from some who - and there's no way I can be sure of this - but from some who it seems do NOT have the knowledge, the know-how, to make those DEFINITE statements. Sorry - my opinion.
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1107 Posts
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On 2013-01-04 08:56, gdw wrote: For a software developer, it all gets down to these simple few code lines: If Someone.Opinion <> Lorayne.Opinion then Someone.Opinion = Crap Else Someone.Opinion = GoodThinking End if mlippo |
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Harry Lorayne V.I.P. New York City 8486 Posts
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Now you're talkin'!! I don't understand it at all, but hey, Now you're talkin'!!!
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Bandaloop Regular user Dodging attacks for the past 194 Posts
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On 2013-01-04 11:04, mlippo wrote: to pare it down even further: while(horse != alive) { beat; } |
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gdw Inner circle 4817 Posts
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On 2013-01-04 13:30, Bandaloop wrote: Lmao!
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one." I won't forget you Robert. |
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LiquidSn Elite user New York 472 Posts
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You can get as opinionated as you want after you have learned the basics.
What's the point of arguing style, presentation, method, and/or theory when the kid doesn't even understand how to hold a deck? I don't care if it's from Card College, Royal Road to Card Magic, Lorayne, Youell, and/or anybody else who want to pander their material, learn the basics first. Then we can argue. |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2013-01-04 13:59, LiquidSn wrote: I do not understand what an almost extinct bear from Asia has to do with any of this. sey |
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Gary T. Veteran user 375 Posts
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Not sure if anybody is still interested, but here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5xvqe7BumM one thing I wanted to say in the video but forgot to is that you need to use a break on your DL, its just sloppy if you don't in the video you posted you messed one up because you weren't using a break, even if you hit it 3/4 times and feel awesome, that's 1/4th of the time your spectator is gonna have a laugh at your expense when you mess it up.
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts
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On 2013-01-05 16:21, Gary T. wrote: Gary, could you please clarify that? Are you saying that all DL's need a break? Are you saying that Strike or Pushoff DL's need a break? sey |
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