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brad12d3
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For someone who is wanting to get serious about learning sleights and card handling what resources would you recommend? Maybe a DVD that gives good visual instruction on the handling?
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Search out the effects you want to do first. There are tons of sleights. But it seems best to identify effects first and learn the sleights to do them.
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It's my opinion that if you learned around 18 to 24 Sleights, you could probably do about 98% of the card magic in print. Somewhere around here is a thread in which I listed them. I've also written about this idea in both sets of my lecture notes. Might be helpful, if you can find one of those references.

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On 2013-01-01 20:54, Steven Youell wrote:
It's my opinion that if you learned around 18 to 24 Sleights, you could probably do about 98% of the card magic in print. Somewhere around here is a thread in which I listed them. I've also written about this idea in both sets of my lecture notes. Might be helpful, if you can find one of those references.

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AWESOME thread by the way. Don't just take The post and run. Look through it all.
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Daryl - Encyclopedia of Card Slights
R Paul Wilson - Royal Road to Card Magic
2 good starters
Cancer Sux - It is time to find a Cure

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If you learn from video, you never get the chance to truly experiment with a sleight. You see it done one way. The amount of complex processing you do when you learn from the written word is probably more important than learning one way, someone else thinks a sleight should be done.

Find and read:

Close-up Card Magic, Lorayne,
Stars of Magic, Various
Expert at the Card Table, Erdnase

If you learn what's in any one of those books, you'll be a far better card magician than most.

Work on one trick at a time. Spend at least a month with it before you show anyone. Start looking at yourself in a mirror. Once you think you know the trick, videotape yourself. Don't look at any feedback until you put the cards down and watch the playback as a separate event from rehearsing.

Realize you're pretty awful and fix what's broken.

Do not post your haphazard attempts on youtube and ask for feedback. That's for losers. (I do it all the time!)

Don't look to anyone source for what you should learn, least of all me. I just listed the first three good card magic books I found as a kid. I do promise you there's great stuff in there. The Lorayne book probably has the most good stuff in. I found Stars of Magic's pictures very helpful though. Save the Erdnase 'til last. That book inspired the greatest close-up magician in the English-speaking world. It might do the same for you. Oh and two of the books are available as pdfs. Harry will probably sell you Close-up Card Magic if you email him. That way you can start tonight.

Start with one good book. It's what Vernon did.

Many people on this website couldn't do a decent card trick if their lives depended on it. Youell is an excellent magician. I know that guy well. I don't know anyone else in this thread and was not aiming insults at any of them. Just be careful.

One book. Don't start a collection, that's it's own trap.

Stars or Close-up Card Magic . . .

Go . . . Mirror . . . Video . . . self-evaluate . . . repeat.

Shoo, you got work to do.

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I think our friend Harry Lorayne has stated you really need to only know three sleights. I'd ask him.
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On 2013-01-01 21:48, Atom3339 wrote:
I think our friend Harry Lorayne has stated you really need to only know three sleights. I'd ask him.


You mean this?

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On 2009-01-17 12:57, Harry Lorayne wrote:
Hey, you might even want to try some HL books!! I know some above will disagree, but I've said it, written it, many times. You can do miracles with only three things - a good control (that includes a good force), a good double lift, a good palm. Get those three down pat, then you can go to the others. Just my opinion, folks. HL.


Okay; even some HL DVDs!



Found within the thread I linked.
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Agreed. Stars of magic is fantastic
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On 2013-01-01 20:34, brad12d3 wrote:
For someone who is wanting to get serious about learning sleights and card handling what resources would you recommend? Maybe a DVD that gives good visual instruction on the handling?

Start with Close-up Card Magic by Harry Lorayne.
Buy a used copy of Hugard and Braue's Expert Card Technique
That'll keep you going for your first three lifetimes.
Then, Vernon's Inner Card Trilogy, Simon's Effective Card Magic.
Dingle, Hamman, Jennings, Marlo, Ramsay, Skinner, Carney, Krenzel, Miller, Elmsley, Ortiz, Cervon, Fechter, Hofzinser.
Stay away from DVDs. Read the beginning chapters of Carneycopia to find out why.


Enjoy your journey.
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Actually, DVDs can VERIFY the things you learn from books. And seeing Bro. Hamman and Larry Jennings and other card greats performing their effects is a cardician's nirvana.
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Thank you so much guys. You have been most helpful. Up until now I have mostly stuck with self workers and gimmicked decks. These can be great but I hate not being able to use a gimmicked deck immediately for something else and there is just so much great stuff out there that I want to be able to do but is unfortunately above my skill level. Looking forward to improving my card handling skills. Smile
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Thanks for the C-UCM plugs!! Interesting that no-one mentions that it has be re-written, updated, etc., along with four or five other books of mine in L:TCC, vol. 1. Many have told me that they learned enough impromptu, any-deck, any time, card magic from that book to last a lifetime. Well, I don't know - so check it out.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]

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http://www.harryloraynemagic.com
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HAHA @Kent for saying don't buy multiple books.. its its own trap. he's so right its scary.

I'll still add that for books structured for just learning moves, I started out with royal road and then moved on to expert card technique when the time was right. I've been fortunate in my time in magic to meet great people at key times to help direct me (12 years ago it was much harder to find good material as the internet hadn't evolved in the magic scene), but I still believe that those are great books for learning the right moves. most of the moves mentioned in SEY's post can be found in them as well.
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This page has a lots of very good information for beginners. I hope you find it as helpful as it does to me when I started.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=41&113
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I will second on not getting too many books, or videos for that matter. I learned a lot more when I was going one book at a time, one video at a time than I have after aquiring a large collection of videos (bought other people's collections, lots of good material, no time to review it all much less learn anything) I still don't have much in the way of books, but apart from a few that I never delved very deep into the books I have I know well, and several of the books I have I struggled through and learned the bulk of what interested me. That was what made me a better magician. I'd take quality over quantity any day.

You don't get better by reading books or watching videos. You get better by learning tricks and performing them and working toward perfection, no matter what source they came from.
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I heard from a friend that anecdotal evidence is actually quite reliable.
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I have begun research on a new book which will tabulate the most frequently used moves in popular card effects. Ultimately I'll work through many DVDs and books, including: Ammar Easy to Master DVDs, Daryl's Encyclopaedia DVDs, Ackerman's Royal Road Series DVD, Card College series, most of the Lorayne Books, Royal Road, Erdnase, etc. I've a long ways to go, but based on my tabulations so far the list of basic moves which are used most often are: The Double Lift and Double Lift Turnover, the Elmsley Count, the Double Undercut, the Buckle, and the Break.

By far, the most commonly used move or sleight is the Break. So a new student of card magic would be well advised to master many ways of obtaining the break, and practice holding it and cutting to it.

To see where the book is heading, here's the list I have so far of tricks which use the Double Undercut:
Double Undercut
Effects utilizing it:
Dai Vernon’s Triumph (ETMCM #1)
Al Baker’s Poker Face (ETMCM #2)
Card Through Handkerchief (ETMCM #2)
Card Penetration and Change Cy Endfield (ETMCM #2)
Between The Palms Alex Elmsley (ETMCM #3)
Title Bout Martin Nash (ETMCM #3)
Card Stab Nate Leipzig (ETMCM #3)
Dunbury Aces Charlie Miller, Dave Lederman (ETMCM #4)
Gambler Vs. Magician Dr. Jacob Daley Version (ETMCM #4)
Henry Christ’s Fabulous Four Ace Trick Henry Christ (ETMCM #5)
The Gun Trick Ken Krenzel (ETMCM #5)
Spelling Collins Aces Martin Lewis (ETMCM #6)
Hofzinser All Backs Harry Riser (ETMCM #5)
Triple Coincidence John Scarne (ETMCM #6)

Most of the effects on the list require other moves as well and the book will also list all of the moves needed to do each effect studied.

I hope this helps you, Brad12D3.

Dennis Loomis
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Dennis, Your list verifies what I've discovered. Thanks for working on this!
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From my little and personal experience I can suggest you the card college (the first and the second volumes are perfect for the basics moves) the magic book by Harry Lorayne (this book was my first about magic, I think it's wonderful for the both theory, routine and techniques). In Italian another wonderful book is "Magia delle carte" by Carlo Rossetti but I don't know if an english version is available.

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