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Woland Special user 680 Posts 
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Meanwhile, there's another interesting citizen-generatedpetition available for your signatures at the White House website:
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Eliminate armed guards for the President, Vice-President, and their families, and establish Gun Free Zones around them It has almost 20,000 signatures so far. According to White House rules, another 5,000 signatures before January 22 will require an official response. |
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts
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NO ONE IN POWER IS TALKING ABOUT TAKING GUNS AWAY FROM ANYONE>!!!!
Jeez, you people are F'n Crazy! I like the new Talking Point-- " "They" are making it illegal for us to defend ourselves" Complete nonsense. But very believable for a simpleton. Get A Life! |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On 2013-01-13 13:08, Pecan_Creek wrote: and we can verify your capitalized opinion... how?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts
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Never mind.
I just got a call from the leftist antichrist leadership , we start picking up the guns tommorrow. I hope your 10,000 rounds of .223 lasts ya! Oh, is your house drone proof ? |
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts
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On 2013-01-13 13:08, Pecan_Creek wrote: Actually that is patently false. Under Sen. Feinstein's proposed gun ban, all current "assault rifles" will be grandfathered in provided... 1) They're registered with a $200 NFA tax stamp. 2) The owner undergoes an ADDITIONAL background check. 3) A local judge or police chief may deny people the right to keep their "assault rifles." They are not required to give reason. If they do, the weapon must be surrendered to the government. In Illinois... Currently proposed legislation would ban the possession, transfer, sale or manufacture of ANY, yes, that's ANY semi-automatic assault rifle OR HANDGUN. There would be no grandfathering and all currently (and legally owned) firearms in this category would be confiscated. Failure to comply would of course result in a felon charge and prison time. So would you like to revise your statement? Or just continue sounding foolish? |
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2013-01-13 09:38, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I will not be comforted in the fact that there will be more morons out there who think they know what they're doing and more innocents will be put in peril so you can protect yourself from some potential threat that, statistically speaking, probably isn't going to happen.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Hi Ed,
Far more people are injured and killed by criminals than are injured and killed in firearms accidents, so that if the threats you think Jonathan is worried about are "statistically speaking" probably not going to happen, the threats that frighten you so much, again "statistically speaking," do not exist. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2013-01-14 10:48, Woland wrote: According to the CDC: In 2011, there were 11,101 firearm homicides in the USA, while there were 19,766 firearm suicides and 851 deaths caused by accidental discharge of firearms.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Right, Magnus. 30,000 deliberate homicides or suicides, vs 851 accidents. And most of those homicides were the work of career criminals. What's irrational about wanting to be able to protect onself against dangers that are, as your post shows, so widespread?
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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Woland, nobody on this site has ever argued that no one should have self defense. What is at question is whether the current American arms policy is the wisest of all possible alternatives.
Many have suggested that restricting certain types of "assault" weapons is sound policy and will help reduce some kinds of gun crimes. Others have suggested that storage and handling restrictions might reduce the likelihood of accidental discharge. Nobody seems to want to talk about nearly 20,000 firearm suicides. There are many more options than all-or-nothing.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Suicide is a mental health issue, not a technology issue.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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Another update
Quote: The man accused in the fatal beating of a passenger on the LRT last month is now charged with murder
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts
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On 2013-01-14 07:52, Pecan_Creek wrote: Foolish it is then. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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Once you didn't fall for the trick of thinking that any sentence in all capital letters must be true, there's not much room for a follow-up.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts
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Thanks for the update, Magnus. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the trial.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2013-01-14 12:43, Woland wrote: I'm not talking "accidents." An accident is when the gun goes off by accident. The person didn't know it was loaded or didn't know it was going to go off. These are people taking the gun, pointing it at someone and pulling the trigger, only to find out afterwards that the person they shot either didn't have a gun of their own or may well have been a family member in a misunderstanding.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts
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On 2013-01-14 13:51, Woland wrote: It isn't even always a mental health issue. (Though I know what you mean.) |
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RobertSmith Veteran user 330 Posts
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On 2013-01-14 22:22, ed rhodes wrote: Not to split hairs, but what you just described is not an accidental discharge. It's a negligent discharge. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts
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On 2013-01-15 00:53, RobertSmith wrote: Is that NRA spin? Actually, a negligent discharge is a form of accidental discharge. At least that's what U.S. Army safety officials say: http://www.stripes.com/news/disturbing-t......-1.22443 "Very few of these incidents happen due to a malfunction of the weapon itself; it is almost always due to negligent actions of the operator, or improper or inadequate training and supervision. Army safety officials prefer the term accidental discharge [but] most leaders use negligent discharge ... to drive home the point." - Lt. Col. Susan Meisner, U.S. forces spokeswoman in Afghanistan. It's not just the U.S. Army. Most others also consider negligent discharges to be forms of accidental discharges.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2889 Posts
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On 2013-01-15 00:53, RobertSmith wrote: Split all the hairs you want. "Accidental" or "Negligent," it still boils down to the person holding the gun did not intend to fire it. The cases I've brought up, the gun was intentionally fired. It was just fired at someone who turned out NOT to be a threat.
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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