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Hi!
What would be a effective way to get the selection to the top/bottom?
The pass would of course be the smoothest, but I'd like something "a bit" easier.
I now use a pinky break, transfer to thumb break and cut the deck twice, but I find it to be sloppy, not too elegant and unreliable (maybe because of my handling:)

Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated.
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Hofzinser Cull. Card College 1.

Oh, and it is not 'of course' that the pass is the smoothest.
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Bottom - underspread cull all the way.

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Depends on the circumstances..
standing or sitting
surrounded or not
want the audience shuffle before it or not
etc.

your question is very vague.

Anyhow, learn the jog shuffle and its variants.
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On 2013-01-03 09:56, Montana76 wrote:
Hi!
What would be a effective way to get the selection to the top/bottom?
The pass would of course be the smoothest, but I'd like something "a bit" easier.
I now use a pinky break, transfer to thumb break and cut the deck twice, but I find it to be sloppy, not too elegant and unreliable (maybe because of my handling:)

Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated.


There are a wide variety of moves that could be used. Which one is the best? Well, that depends...

Montana76, what are you doing just before the card is supposed to be controlled? (In other words, how are you getting into this move?)

What is the external reality that you're trying to create? The internal, secret reality is that the card has been controlled. The external reality is what the audience is supposed to believe about the position of the card. For instance, you might want to have the audience believe that the card is buried in the center of the deck and definitely not on the top or the bottom. Or, you might want the audience to believe that the card is completely lost in the deck, and no one could possibly know its location. The external reality that you're trying to create is a constraint that you should consider.

Finally, what are you doing just after the card has been controlled? (That is, how are you getting out of this move?)

Once you have good answers to these questions, the proper move might suggest itself!
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Thank everybody for your replies.
The overhand shuffle with jog control is something I use from time to time. Do you recommend going straight into it from the spectator returns the card?
I really didn't think of going into this directly. Thank you!

Barry: I usually spread the cards and let the spectator choose. The spectator then inserts the card on the top of the left pack. I close the deck and get a pinky break. I cut 1/2 of the upper pack under the lower pack and then the next 1/2 leaving the selection on top. What is this move called by the way?

I've read a lot about Vinny Marinis Top Gun Control, but I haven't found anything written up about it and his DVD is out of print.. That move seems really
good by the way.

Tenchu: Would that be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPI9_MkHaYc ?
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If you use the riffle selection (not necessarily a force) you can move the selected card from the bottom of the top packet to the bottom of the deck using the Ovette/Kelly move from Magicana (by David Acer) in the May 2011 issue of Genii. I use this fairly often.
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Tenchu: Would that be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPI9_MkHaYc ?


What an awful tutorial. But yes, that's basically it.

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Barry: I usually spread the cards and let the spectator choose. The spectator then inserts the card on the top of the left pack. I close the deck and get a pinky break. I cut 1/2 of the upper pack under the lower pack and then the next 1/2 leaving the selection on top. What is this move called by the way?


That's called doing a double cut to bring the selected card to the top. (It may or may not be the best way to proceed.)

Now, what is the external reality that you're trying to create after the card has been selected and returned to the pack? And what are you planning to do immediately after you've created that reality?
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Hi,

As others have said, the answer would depend on the context.

But I like the Natural Jog Control and the Automatic Jog Control, from The Card Magic of Le Paul.

Or simply start an overhand shuffle, asking to say stop and put the card back on the left hand packet. Then continue with a jxg shxxxxe.

Maybe for me the most important is to keep a relaxed attitude and the patter smooth, because "the effect hasn't started yet".

Cheers,
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The shortest distance between two points is SIMPLICITY...

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If you have The Royal Road to Card Magic, you might also have a look at chapter 15: it's about the hindu shuffle and other controls.

I just read it, and now I'm practicing the twelve-down riffle control, it looks like something that fits me.
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On 2013-01-03 09:56, Montana76 wrote:
Hi!
What would be a effective way to get the selection to the top/bottom?
The pass would of course be the smoothest, but I'd like something "a bit" easier.
I now use a pinky break, transfer to thumb break and cut the deck twice, but I find it to be sloppy, not too elegant and unreliable (maybe because of my handling:)

Any suggestions would be greatly appreaciated.


Some of the world's top xcardicians don't even use a Pass of any kind. Barry's questions about external reality are really important. While you consider them, I'll shoot some suggestions in addition to those given.

Miller Variable Placement: By the Café's own Tony Miller (aka Doomo), this can be found in The Eark Nelson book Variations.

ODLA Control: Aldo Colombini in his book What's Up Deck

Larry Jennings Open Control in Best of Friends I written by Harry Lorayne

Push Together Control by Jose Fernandez in "red" Apocalypse

Midnight Shift by Steve Draun in The Collected Almanac

Side Steal: all over the place. I would however direct you to Paul Cummins' SUPERB DVD The Side Steal Declassified. Card College is another nice resource, but Paul Cummins has really done the work on this elegant control which was invented by Mate Leipzig

Panoramic Shift: Jerry Andrus

The Convincing Control by Ed Marlo: Great work on this in Daryl's Encyclopedia of Card Sleights

There are hundreds more, but, watch some of the greatest performing and keeping Barry's questions in mind, note that MANY magicians use double cuts, triple cuts, shuffles, etc. You also DON'T need sleight of hand to control a card. What if I told you that you could use a borrowed deck, have a card returned and there is no manipulation open OR concealed and yet you have total control over the card? And no you do not need to see the face of any card nor even hold a break. Does that sound cool? PM me and we'll talk.

Namaste,
Vlad
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Not sure what control this is called but it looks great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQc-Bfxe1fk

Anyone know?
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Panoramic Shift: Jerry Andrus


I second that. Especially if your double undercut control is "sloppy, not too elegant and unreliable". Excellent advice!

The Mari Huana Control is not bad either, right Vlad?
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Not sure what control this is called but it looks great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQc-Bfxe1fk

Anyone know?


Um, I think its called the fan friction card controll.....but I only guess that becuse its the title of the video and he says, "This is the fan friction card controll", but I could be wrong Smile

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I cut 1/2 of the upper pack under the lower pack and then the next 1/2 leaving the selection on top. What is this move called by the way?
This is not the correct way to do Double Cut Control. You cut 1/2 of the lower half to top and then cut remaining 1/2 to top. This is called 'Double Under Cut Control'.

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On 2013-01-03 17:29, ArturoZ. wrote:
Not sure what control this is called but it looks great:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQc-Bfxe1fk

Anyone know?


Um, I think its called the fan friction card controll.....but I only guess that becuse its the title of the video and he says, "This is the fan friction card controll", but I could be wrong Smile

Billy


That's what I though but after reading the description on the video it looks like he came up with the idea but was wondering if the move has ever been performed by anyone else.
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Hey Montana76 , I use this control I hope you will like it Smile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PB48qXg5W4
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Thought I would add another that somehow I had forgotten. Must be the Mari Huana Uli. Smile

Anyhow, Montana, check out Lee Asher's Losing Control. It's available from Lybrary.com and from Lee Asher himself.

Namaste,
Vlad
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