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Speaking of the panoramic shift, it reminds me of Simon Lovell's Non - Panoramic Shift. I always liked it.

To Answer the OP there are hundreds of ways to control cards. Start with the basic texts and experiment. There is no best. But there are dozens of excellent controls throughout the literature of the art. Studying, discovering, and practicing is a labour of love. Have a great time finding them , learning them, and discarding them. Only you will know when you find ones you like. Good luck building your small arsenal of card control weaponry.
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Perhaps a bit off-topic: The effect should always dictate the sleight you use. Also, never put sleights in front of effects because you will realize that at the end, you will know nothing more than 101 ways to control a card but not a single way to put it into the context of a trick.
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Context, shmontext...

Just use your favorite method.
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Vlad stole my idea and listed several of his favorites. Many of them were mine too...(the man has good taste.) I'll add one more...Flip Flop Plop by Paul Harris.
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I agree with Steven. Use your favorite method. My favorite method to control a card to the top of the deck is to execute a diagonal palm shift and then do Vernon's hand-washing palm transfer while I toss the deck in the air. After I catch the deck in my left hand, I do a top palm replacement under the cover of transferring the deck to my right hand so that I can pick my nose with my left forefinger. Finger position is really important for this last bit. Don't poke yourself in the eye. And avoid knuckle flash.

Typically, to control the card to the bottom, I first control it to the top using my favorite method (above), and then I double undercut it to the bottom. I used to use a spread cull most of the time but it didn't fit my performing persona. Too contrived. I needed something simpler.

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On 2013-01-03 09:56, Montana76 wrote:
What would be a effective way to get the selection to the top/bottom?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.


How long have you been studying Card Magic?
What is your skill level?
Who do you perform for?
What's the performing environment?
Do you have a table or are you working standing up?
Is this for a particular routine/trick or just a general control?

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On 2013-01-04 01:17, jpleddington wrote:
I agree with Steven. Use your favorite method. My favorite method to control a card to the top of the deck is to execute a diagonal palm shift and then do Vernon's hand-washing palm transfer while I toss the deck in the air. After I catch the deck in my left hand, I do a top palm replacement under the cover of transferring the deck to my right hand so that I can pick my nose with my left forefinger. Finger position is really important for this last bit. Don't poke yourself in the eye. And avoid knuckle flash.

Typically, to control the card to the bottom, I first control it to the top using my favorite method (above), and then I double undercut it to the bottom. I used to use a spread cull most of the time but it didn't fit my performing persona. Too contrived. I needed something simpler.

Either I am the only one who got the joke, or I must bow to your superior skill level. Smile

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In all discussions of card control it's important to avoid knuckle flash
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Montana the demo of top gun is on the way,,,,i also recommend the HOP this is a great move that is way umnder used.
both of these controls can be done standing, stitting or strolling
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On 2013-01-04 01:17, jpleddington wrote:
I agree with Steven. Use your favorite method. My favorite method to control a card to the top of the deck is to execute a diagonal palm shift and then do Vernon's hand-washing palm transfer while I toss the deck in the air. After I catch the deck in my left hand, I do a top palm replacement under the cover of transferring the deck to my right hand so that I can pick my nose with my left forefinger. Finger position is really important for this last bit. Don't poke yourself in the eye. And avoid knuckle flash.

Typically, to control the card to the bottom, I first control it to the top using my favorite method (above), and then I double undercut it to the bottom. I used to use a spread cull most of the time but it didn't fit my performing persona. Too contrived. I needed something simpler.

J


Hahahaha!! Sounds maaaarvelous!

Thank you soo much everybody for all the insights. I'm still not done looking up all the references and I have to say that this has been the most useful topic/thread for me here on the café so far.
Can't wait to get the demo Vinny. Really looking forward to it!!
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I find a good and relatively easy control is to riffle down the deck and have a spectator say stop then separate the deck there. Have them put the card on the left hand deck and then do a hindu shuffle control to get the card to the top of the deck. It looks like they've put the card in the middle of the deck and then it's been randomly shuffled. It's a great move and it only took me a few hours to learn. Well worth a try I think. I think you can find the control in Royal Road to Card Magic.

Hope this helps.

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If you use Hindu Shuffle Control like above, I recommend to do Hindu Shuffle for the selection. You Hindu shuffle and spectator calls stop. You show the top card of the lower portion or spectator takes and replaces the top card. Then you continue Hindu Shuffle to bring the selection to the top. It is better than riffling the deck for the selection.

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Do a standard cull, or gary jones top con control is very convincing and very easy!
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What is best depends on your ability to make the control invisible.
In most circumstances, I'd use the Spread Cull to control the card to the bottom and a side steal to control it to the top. That said however, alternatives that I employ include the pass (and its many variants), the dribble toss control, the convincing control, the Mahatma control etc etc...

What is key is that your audience should not be aware of any control nor suspicious of any 'moves' you make
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A cull is very effective and it looks like no card replacement occurred. The pass would my second choice - depending on the circumstances.
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Maybe not the best, nonetheless... Side Steal.

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