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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
Hi all
I am currently trying to learn the zarrow shuffle sequence whereby you shuffle twice and still retain the entire order, the problem I am having is that I am finding it a little difficult to obtain a break between the two shuffled halfs when they are supposedly shuffled together, is there a certain angle that the cards need to be shuffled into the other, or are the shuffled cards stepped back to the others when you are pushing them together so you can then obtain a break then? |
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Billy-one Inner circle IOWA 1028 Posts |
I belive you are talking about the dai vernon way to zarrow that requires no slip cut, the break should be organic when you coalace the halves. I just place my left thumb into the break the zarrow causes, between the top card on the left side and when the right side gets "shuffled" into the right my thumb creates the break....this seems impossible for me to explain, I'm not so hot with the writting skills.
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calebjuggles New user 69 Posts |
Card College has a great description of the Zarrow you are talking about, if you haven't seen that already
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
Actually I think he's talking about the Two Shuffle Sequence in the Dingle book.
Does it look like this, Daren? https://vimeo.com/56574603 There's an example. Not the greatest example, but an example. The password here is zarrowshank The link will be active for a day or so. sey |
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slowdini Regular user 122 Posts |
I thought a few cards are slid over/ forward to hide the action??
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2013-01-04 21:33, slowdini wrote: A) Not when you're trying to demonstrate a particular aspect of a Sleight to a Magician. B) One of the major tells of a Zarrow is pushing the cards WAY TOO FAR. sey |
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Jay Mahon Special user 983 Posts |
Dingle did a 3 shuffle sequence Steven.
J |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2013-01-04 22:58, Jay Mahon wrote: Hence, the phrase "I think..." When you get old, you learn to use that phrase a lot! Thanks, Jay. I cannot remember where I learned this then, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't something Vernon did. Maybe it was and I picked it up somewhere else. sey P.S. "pretty sure" is another one of those phrases! |
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
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On 2013-01-04 21:15, Steven Youell wrote: I was about to post an enthusiastic compliment about this very clean handling of the Zarrow Shuffle... until I looked at the Avatar's name. Then I realized that a compliment from me to him would have been like an insult. No one is good enough to "judge" Steven's performances of a sleight. He is a master of the highest level. Thanks for sharing this here Steven.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2013-01-05 00:01, Lawrence O wrote: Forgive me for disagreeing with you, my friend-- but there are many, many people out there that are qualified to judge my work. I've seen your work on false counts. Although you and I are good at different things, the work you put into those counts and the quality of thought you've given them make you one of those people. And there are many out there who are WAY better than me with a deck of cards. Way better. sey |
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mtpascoe Inner circle 1932 Posts |
I think the two shuffles is a waste of time. I like what Bill Malone does and just slip cuts the top card and do the shuffle. That way you don't have to two or more to catch up.
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jjsanvert Special user Paris, France 581 Posts |
Here is one of the sequences I use:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rAKSNyb7......&index=7
JJS
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Einmaliger Regular user Germany 199 Posts |
To get back to the original question: When pushing the packets together, they shouldn't be angled to much. In Gary Plants' popular booklet on the Zarrow, he advises to momentarily angle them slightly in the instant before they are flush to create a small step at back of the deck that you can use to obtain the thumb break (if I recall this correctly).
This has never worked for me, though. Instead, I use the right pinky against the inner right corner of the right packet to maintain a tiny separation between the large packets and transfer it to a thumb break at the center of the inner long side once the packets are flush. |
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Well Jean Jacques Sanvert is another performer with flawless advanced technical skill. Now I tend to think that Up The Ladder is a sleight that should be taken off "magical" effects and kept only for gambling types of presentations. Now, possibly, the Zarrow Shuffle being a tabled riffle shuffle should be also kept for such types of gambliing situations. For more purely "magical" situations, shuffles in the hands like the Truffle Shuffle may possibly be more adapted.
This is more of a question than an statement...
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
That's great thank for all your help re thi, yes I have been working on the zarrow for a good few hours and I have been obtaining the break with the right little finger maintaining a tiny seperation before the two packet are quare with each other, the sequence I use now is as follows, cut top half to left, and zarrow under 3 cards on the left, maintain break between halfs, cut top half to left again and zarrow under 3 card on left half again, square up, I then follow with an up the ladder sequence, cutting from the bottom first and sidejogging to the left when placed on top, then the usual up the ladder sequence follows, would be interested to hear your fav sequence re this wonderful false shuffle
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
If, as you can see on JJSanvert's or Steven Youell's video, you are not seen to painstakenly count whatever number of cards you wish to shuffle under, that's fine. The quest is to make the whole thing look like a real shuffle without control.
I learned the Zarrow Shuffle from Herb himself, who introduced me into the FFFF after having received me on several occasions into his home and visited me in Paris with his wife. You can see hime teach his own shuffle on a specific DVD and you'll find that it's not half way as pristine as what the two above advanced performers have shown you as a potential. Now to answer your question, JJSanvert has a background of high level Karate (I think) which expresses his taste for brilliantly succeed in successfully challenge the spectators. I'm much more poetically driven and I like more "messed up" types of shuffle, conveying that I have no control over the cards, seemingly not even being able to perform a decent shuffle. It took me years to make my shuffles or false counts technically casual and looking messy, and let an odd card fly off a riffle shuffle as if I couldn't do properly such type of shuffles (it's easier to achieve with an overhand shuffle). Now this is resulting from the fact that I'm driven by a taste where sleights have to be casual for "magic" rather than skill to account for the result and fascinate the spectators. Now this is not to infer that what I like is superior to other performers' liking but only that it takes a different technical path. I'm more going in the Juan Tamariz's technical direction: if the cards are riffle shuffled, I would keep them at an angle and spread them interwoven in that manner for the spectator to complete the shuffle in pushing together the cards spread. So I would not use a Zarrow Shuffle initially in an act (but only at a later stage as a shortcut) and then I would cut the deck (real cut of the top half) keeping a small step in a non perfectly squared tabled packet (bevelled) and then cut it openly on the table as an apology for not cutting on the table like gamblers do (restoring the cut). In other words I work at making my sophisticated handling casual and messy rather than pristine (and this is not an excuse to hide potentially poor technical capacities: as Steven said I spend a lot of analytical time and practice time to reconsider each and every type of sleights and get to what I want). For example in my variant of Out Of This World I'm requesting the spectators to "soup shuffle" the cards on the table: the cards are flat on the table and they use both of their hands to mix them flat on to the table as is done nowadays in casinos for Hold'em Poker. Again I'm not expressing this as a challenge to "skilled" type of magicians, it's just that we have different aims (promote dilemmma solved by "magic", more than centering a show on me as a magician of great skill) and therefore different approaches to express them.
Magic is the art of emotionally sharing live impossible situations
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Einmaliger Regular user Germany 199 Posts |
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On 2013-01-05 07:16, Daren wrote: I think the following sequence looks very natural because the top card is seen to change and it finishes with a straight cut just as I normally do after a regular shuffle: Cut upper half to the right and zarrow it under three cards of the left. Undercut lower half (below break) to the right and again zarrow it under three cards of the left. Straight cut at the break. |
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kentfgunn Inner circle Merritt Island FL 1639 Posts |
Mssr. Sanvert,
Wonderful video. Flawless, simply flawless. |
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failed_drummer Veteran user 314 Posts |
On his Zarrow Shuffle download, Jason England teaches several different ways of doing it, including a method using a centre pull-out, which removes the need to count the cards you shuffle under and retains the order in one shuffle. He also teaches several ways of getting the breaks in the two and three sequence shuffles. I would highly recommend it, it's great value.
I'm sure someone else already came up with this, but I found a nice control which retains the whole deck order using the Zarrow and Ernest Earick's Automatic Rear-Jog. Just do the rear-jog on the selected card, then cut the cards above it to the right and shuffle under the selected card (on the left). You can either force the top/bottom card to retain the entire deck, or if you only need half the deck in order, have a card selected from the other part. Sorry the random sidenote, but I hope someone finds it useful. |
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JasonEngland V.I.P. Las Vegas, NV 1728 Posts |
Just to keep the record straight, Vernon published the sequence using two shuffles in More Inner Secrets of Card Magic and was the first to do so. But, Herb Zarrow had discovered that same sequence before Vernon.
Herb also showed the 3-shuffle sequence to both Charlie Miller and Derek Dingle. Jason
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