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So if one is thinking on one side only, one might have had a stroke.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_tayl......ght.html
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On 2013-01-06 08:26, tommy wrote:
So if one is thinking on one side only, one might have had a stroke.

http://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_tayl......ght.html


Thank You Tommy,

That is a great lecture - Professor Bolte Taylor has a great gift for making the complicated comprehensible - and a wonderful story.
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Hi Stone,

The promise that there would be a "Bill of Rights" was necessary in order to gain ratification of the Constitution. It was a very close call in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and Massachusetts. In retrospect, I think George Mason was probably right.
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Stone has it right- "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." Saying I can turn east does not mean I can not turn west or go straight.

May we add others, Destiny? If so, it seems part of the 14th may come into play soon:

"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law ..... shall not be questioned....."

Goodbye Debt Ceiling fight?? What say...

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On 2013-01-06 03:58, Bob1Dog wrote:
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You probably got it from Fox news and the right wing blogs you read as gospel.

I love telling you you're just full of doo-doo, which, you are, of course. Most of us right thinking folks think that about you, but oh, you're so-o-o-o-o smart because you're a lawyer....uh-oh, well, maybe not a real lawyer, but a "once was", like VSOP Cognac? Very Special, Old Pale? Smile


I don't how smart Bob thinks being a lawyer makes him; I just think it justifiably makes him think he knows more about the law than the armchair (read "non") lawyers.
As a very good general rule, people who haven't been to law school (let alone passed the bar and practiced) have absolutely no idea how little they know about the law.
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You're right, Lobo, but it's not worthwhile to feed the troll.
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On 2013-01-06 12:12, mastermindreader wrote:
You're right, Lobo, but it's not worthwhile to feed the troll.


LOL.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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Well it is a 17 page document so being a lawyer isn't needed. Knowing how to think critically won't hurt though.

Most who quote the document have not read it.

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Bob1Dog is brought to you by the letter G.

Who needs all those other pesky letters?

God, Guns and GOP.
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Well it is a 17 page document so being a lawyer isn't needed. Knowing how to think critically won't hurt though.

Most who quote the document have not read it.

Too many opinions are formed by what others think of information.


And hundreds of thousands of pages of Supreme Court decisions interpreting it. Opinions that lawyers have read and are familiar with.
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Were lawyers involved in the drafting of these "amendments",and the original bit of work?
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Yes. Well over half of the framers of the Constitution were lawyers.
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On 2013-01-06 18:50, mastermindreader wrote:
Well over half of the framers of the Constitution were lawyers.

Well, that explains a lot!
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Well over half of the framers of the Constitution were lawyers.

Well, that explains a lot!


I was wondering who would be the first to take a swing at the softball I just lobbed over the center of the plate!

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Yes, but many of those men had the advantage of being basically self-educated and trained primarily by apprenticeship.
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I don't how smart Bob thinks being a lawyer makes him; I just think it justifiably makes him think he knows more about the law than the armchair (read "non") lawyers.
As a very good general rule, people who haven't been to law school (let alone passed the bar and practiced) have absolutely no idea how little they know about the law.


I am non-lawyer, but I think the law is awesome (probably pretty tough to graduate law school) and I enjoy reading about the law. I will say this though, paying a good attorney to set up a papers of incorporation or Articles of Organization for an LLC in the long term is much cheaper than setting it up through Legal Zoom or myllc.com. Not to mention the Operating Agreement a lawyer writes for your business is way way way better than any Operating Agreement you can get off lawdepot.com. So, I think a good attorney, though expensive, is well worth the money.

I don't mean to sound like a commercial for a law firm, but just giving my honest opinion. You're right, it's best to leave the legal side of the house to the lawyers (and not take shortcuts like through legal zoom or myllc.com), but it also doesn't hurt for anybody to read up on the law themselves either and know some of the basics, just leave the real legal work to the lawyers.
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Lobo,

A good strategy for a business or anybody really to pursue is to prevent the costs of the courtroom (the costs of the courtroom is astronomical and can cripple a business), similar, to a good national security strategy for a nation is to achieve safety, security, protect and further national interests all while preventing the costs of war (Sun Tzu's "win without fighting" strategy) or in this particular case "win without litigation" as litigation and the costs of judgements or any sort of punishment can be extraordinarily high. But like any good strategy of prevention, it requires an up front investment on the part of the nation or business. Spend money now to save a whole lot of money later on. It's not smart to be penny wise but pound foolish.
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As a very good general rule, people who haven't been to law school (let alone passed the bar and practiced) have absolutely no idea how little they know about the law.

What if they've seen The Paper Chase, and every episode of Perry Mason and Boston Legal?
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Actually, Perry Mason accurately demonstrated how a defense attorney can win ninety-nine percent of his cases. Just make sure your opponent is Hamilton Burger.

The film,The Paper Chase came out just before I entered law school. It was a very accurate description of the law school experience. The thing about the Socratic method of teaching, is that you either learn very quickly how to think on your feet, or you keep out of trial law and stick to writing contracts, wills and trusts.

It was a skill that served me well when, at age thirty-eight, I left the practice of law to become a full-time mentalist.
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