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R P Wilson
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Dear all, the official version of our first Unreal Work is now available.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNGDoroJtYw

The question comes from discussions I've had with other artists who did not believe so or were surprised to find that it could be.

This is for both magicians and laymen. Please share.

Best,

P
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Very interesting, thanks
Atom3339
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Thank you, Mr. Wilson, for sharing this.

BTW, though I respect others' opinions, if I believed Magic was akin to PORNOGRAPHY, I would drop it in a second. IMHO, that's a real disgusting point of view.
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On 2013-01-12 12:47, Atom3339 wrote:
Thank you, Mr. Wilson, for sharing this.

BTW, though I respect others' opinions, if I believed Magic was akin to PORNOGRAPHY, I would drop it in a second. IMHO, that's a real disgusting point of view.


you open the wrapper and get to see the secret. you can't see the secret unless you pay. it's bad to show other people the secret. do you have a pile of secrets on your shelf, in a drawer, hidden away from the family?
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Magic is like pornography to a point. Your pornography fetishes and your magic secrets are both things you would rather keep private. So we covet them in much the same ways. Hiding them away from prying eyes and only looking at them when we are alone. And they both pay off with a climax at the end.

But is magic an art..??? It can be and it can't be. It depends on if it makes a connection with you when its performed. Its all subjective. If it moves you and creates an emotion, like happiness or more primal like arousal, then it can be considered art. The problem is that what moves you, may not move me.

I think what it comes down to, is this infamous saying about (coincidentally) pornography... What is art? "I'll know it when I see it"!
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Very nice piece, thanks a lot for sharing.

I find it interesting both from the perspective of intention being the progenitor of what is art, and from the perspective of what the answers say about the magicians themselves.

It's a good question to think about, especially in relation to yourself as it helps define what you are doing. Personally I think the concept is very helpful for magic, it certainly helps in moving magic forward, moving what is envisioned, what is tried, and how we present. Does that mean that all magic _should_ be art? No of course not, each one to his own, and there's so many facets in magic, why exclude anything?

So to the question, do _I_ think magic is art. The answer is 'yes', it is creative, intelligent and fun. I certainly want my magic to be art.

Yet again, thanks for sharing this thought provoking clip.
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"Magicians should remove the 2 words "I AM" from their vocabulary.
Other people... your audience...will determine what, and who you are.
Magic is their emotion, not yours.
They experience the illusion, not you.

Is magic art ?
I am not qualified to answer that... ask the audience, they know"

- Andrew Gerard
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I had to shut it off half way through. I couldn't stand it anymore. So much beating around the bush.
It seems they all meant the same thing but they all said it in a different way.

For those who say a performance of magic is not art should be shown a clip of Dick Cardini.

Magic is a wonderful form of art.

Substandard practioners and botched performances should not even be considered in this. The only reason it is considered is because there are so many of them.

There are millions of horrendous dancers too.
But dance is assuredly an art form. The difference is, horrible dancers don't usually charge people money to watch. The same cannot be said for horrible magicians- how sad for the true artists.
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Paul,

Thank you. I look forward to more great stuff from you.
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On 2013-01-12 12:47, Atom3339 wrote:
Thank you, Mr. Wilson, for sharing this.

BTW, though I respect others' opinions, if I believed Magic was akin to PORNOGRAPHY, I would drop it in a second. IMHO, that's a real disgusting point of view.


Except that Brad's point is valid. Magic and pornography sometimes share the attribute of presenting the shallowest of interactions, appealing to the basest of desires, and expressing no subtlety and little meaning. In fact, this might very well be the kind of magic that is performed most often. There's nothing disgusting about the suggestion that we can achieve more.
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