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tommy
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Of course dirty low down card cheats are the scum of earth and ought to feel embarrassment and be ashamed of themselves and I would be if they caught me.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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On 2013-02-05 22:22, tommy wrote:
Of course dirty low down card cheats are the scum of earth and ought to feel embarrassment and be ashamed of themselves...

Incorrect. Politcians are.Smile
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On 2013-02-01 11:13, panlives wrote:
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On 2013-01-31 15:25, Cagliostro wrote:
“It is not what you do, but how you do it” that matters most. That applies to magic as well as “gambling” methods.


But surely there are some gambling methods that would not work under fire no matter the "how"?


You would be surprised...
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On 2013-02-05 20:26, Cagliostro wrote:
I believe that Bish or some others who perform professionally can give much better input on this area than I. However, when we take that to a different level, that of moving in a tough game under watchful eyes or in a casino environment, we are in a different situation here. The stress can then become almost unbearable. However, as with anything else, with experience it becomes more and more manageable but it is always there. Some people can learn to function very well in those type situations, but I would say that most cannot.

The point is, just doing moves very skillfully does not help you in situations where there are consequences of being embarrassed, getting caught, going to jail or suffering extreme bodily injury. If someone cannot handle that kind of stress, and most people can’t, his beautiful moves will turn to garbage or he will freeze up completely.

It is easier and safer to talk a good game rather than doing anything significant along these lines.


I agree with this entire post Cagliostro and if I may I would like to add a few observations, theory and opinions.

I have seen Jack Pyle perform his act many, many times. I have seen him performing his act in front of laymen. And I have seen him perform his act in front of magicians. Many magicians did not like his act of card tricks, poker deals and his bridge deal.

The reason why many magicians did not like his act and his poker and bridge deals was in my opinion was the way he did it. Magicians seem to like to judge things. They like to play the game in my opinion "I have a better bottom deal than this guy". Or I have a better second deal etc.

In the Jack Pyle act - his second and bottom deal was part of a demo - they saw it or they did not. The same with his second deal - they see it or they don't. The method and if an audience member magician or laymen see's a second or a bottom - in the long run it never mattered. Because the end result was getting the hand that continued as a running gag.

Jack Pyle did his moves well - and if the audience saw something - well to him at his age and how many years and years he moved like this in a show - overall it mattered little to Jack. I think the reason many magicians did not like his act was it was hard to judge his moves and in my opinion magicians are all about moves and many forget the overall routine and effect the show has on the audience as a whole.

I feel that this is what many magicians did when they reviewed the video of my triumph shuffle technique that is on my web site. Some reviewed it as a method of stacking - some reviewed it as a method of culling. Some confused the two. And almost all of them had no clue that it was a stack and a cull combined to run up a hand with the riffle shuffle combined (up to 12 cards from a slug). Plus the video was about only "what was possible". And gave no information of how I move with it in a show.

And in my opinion that moving with the technique in a show is the most important part.

And like the Erdnase jog shuffle stacking (stocking) and culling system. That many magicians today would say that there is to much shuffling - they have to deal with in-jogs and out-jogs - they seem to forget - "IT WORKS".

I only use the bottom deal for one or two demonstrations. Sometimes I use it with the riffle shuffle triumph cull and sometimes I use it with the punch cull. However most of my routine uses the punch cull because to the layperson - it is an invisible technique that I can use to run up a hand on the fly - after I use Jack Pyle’s technique that I learned from him - using the bottom deal - giving the audience member the same hand as a running gag.

Moving in a show is an interesting thing. Jack Pyle had his way and what he worked out. I worked out my own way that works for me. Add that technique to a warm personality and add some humor in my opinion this not only adds to the entertainment but it also helps to cover any mistakes that can happen while moving in the show (technique) when performing a show live in front of an audience.

Again I have rambled on a bit - I hope you found this interesting.
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One of my favourite magicians is Lennart Green who is very deceptive fellow and yet does not mind much about flashing now and and again and the phrase he uses is “I don't do prestige!”
Anyway I think LG has a similar view to all as JP. Incidentally he uses some stuff that at first sight seems only useful for magical entertainment but there are in it some interesting principles that he uses which might be worth looking into for card table ends.
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