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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
First of all: Richard I have it, I love it! In the mid nineties I was playing with the original idea, I even still have the cards I made up in those days - but I never performed it. So I really can appreciate what you have done - it is a gem! I will perform it, perfect for some of my clients (banks who often have the theme of security, the numbers are TANs in my case ... ) The back pattern is a non issue. And Patrick: you are also allowed to ly, I do it all the time - thanks to my catholic education. The back pattern is also no problem at all as there are so many options to perform with your back towards your spectators. Jan
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Magicus Loyal user 281 Posts |
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On 2013-03-02 17:24, PatrickGregoire wrote: After the two specs have their cards, I take the rest of the stack and hand them to an audience member bottom side up. It's a natural move and I also tell them they can check the cards over without letting me see them. I leave them be and run the rest of the routine to its conclusion with the two specs. That way if someone thinks the card backs are marked they have to reconsider (otherwise why would I hand them out). And it lets me set up what I need in a smooth manner. |
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rgnprof Regular user 157 Posts |
I just got this as well and REALLY like it - fooled my wife which is not easy to do! (She is a tough audience). I am a math/statistics guy by training and this really fits my approach and I found learning the technique very easy and straightforward. I can see many different ways to utilize this. Had not really thought about the backs being an issue - focus on the randomness of the numbers...I like the "security background" idea though, but probably will not even mention the backs in performance.
My only concern is that I'm a little skittish about allowing the spectators to handle the cards too much, although my initial routining takes the cards out of my hands pretty quickly. Any 'recovery' ideas? I will, of course, model cutting the cards and handling them etc., but I'm just thinking ahead... ryan |
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Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
I would never worry about putting the cards in a spectators hands. (Unless, of course, you were doing a dinner for mathematics scholars at an MIT dinner - that was not serving liquor!)
As a matter of fact, I do EXACTLY what Magicus does and hand out the cards, face up, to a nearby spectator. I just say, "Make sure these are all different, just like I did with my card calling routine on Mind Mysteries two. |
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 2247 Posts |
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On 2013-03-03 06:08, JanForster wrote: No, it's not a non issue because it came up for me. Yes it was a casual situation and I will only be using this on stage so nobody will dare or have time to ask about the back pattern if for some reason they think it's marked. It's overall a non issue and not a big deal. I just wanted to raise the "issue", that's all. I do know that you can do it with your back turned, that's how I did it. That's why I mentioned that he was trying REAL HARD to come up with a method because it seemed so impossible. People reach pretty far when they have no clue. I know I can lie, and I don't mind it at all. My point was that since I don't have to lie about it, I can 100% confidently tell them that it's a security pattern to prevent seeing through the cards. It's just a nice bonus to be able to tell the truth because it can't backfire on you. |
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George Hunter Inner circle 2017 Posts |
In my experience for a month or so now, the back pattern is very nearly a non-issue. Yes, the most skeptical spectator who is trying to impress his friends will free associate and seize on any plausible explanation, including memorization of all 60 cards and (yes) the back pattern. Fortunately, there is absolutely nothing in the back pattern to find. Unlike some book tests and other props, they could study it to their heart's content--though, overall, it is unwise to set that precedent.
The longer I reflect on this effect, and perform it, the better I like it. And, performing it for two spectators (like in Osterlind's demo) is indeed more powerful than performing it for one spectator. George Hunter, "Mentalist Subordinaire" |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
In many ways NV is a lot like the Invisib*e Deck. There's simply no way it can be figured out. When Osterlind did it for a group of magicians and mentalists there were open jaws and some very soft whispers. No one had any idea...and ultimately it's impossible to back your way into the solution either.
It's devious...and it's brilliant. You do have to do some minor mental somersaults to perform it. There's nothing to memorize...which rocks. I've been playing around with it for months now. I have yet to perform it for a paying audience. But I can see that day coming. And some things are worth having just because they're cool. NV is one of those things. David
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jlevey Inner circle Montreal, Quebec, Canada 2076 Posts |
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On 2013-04-15 20:44, David Thiel wrote: ...."LIKE" (FOUR thumbs up!) ....and this from a performer who hates math and math-based effects. Thanks again Richard for sharing this wonderful effect with us! Jonathan
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espkeith Veteran user CT, USA 354 Posts |
I did this at a presentation for a mostly cynical group of Ivy-League MBA students. You could tell they wanted to be impressed by it, even if they wouldn't admit it out loud.
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BigWheel New user Earth near Washington DC 43 Posts |
I just received NV and have to say it is incredible. The system is very straight forward and gives the performer a lot of options to deliver the selected numbers. For those who may be concerned that it is difficult, I would say that a read through of the accompanying documentation will take 10 minutes and you will understand how the process works. In an effort to be smoother with my ability to recite numbers, I have a copy of all 60 numbers in NV at my desk and I use it as a guide to practice. If you go from the first number to the last as practice, you'll be very comfortable with the process to determine the number. I'm extremely happy to have this in my routine.
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kaos333 New user Baltimore, MD 25 Posts |
I too just received it. It is a wonderful and devious effect. I have been practicing it on my family, and they were stunned.
BigWheel, thanks for the suggestion on how you practice the process to determine the number. That will be part of my regimen before I start showing it. |
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Worsham New user Forest Hill, Maryland 3 Posts |
This is my first Magic Café post. I am looking to obtain a small set of the cards for Richard Osterlind's Numeric Vortex. I got Numeric Vortex sometime in early 2013 when Richard lectured at Denny & Lee's in MD. I brought the small set of NV cards to Magic Live! last August, but somehow lost them. I recently got back to performing NM, identifying or 'divining' 3 cards, as Richard suggests, and reactions have been very good. I would like to get the smaller set for walkaround, etc. I am willing to buy the whole NM set again (i.e. get another duplicate set of the large cards) in order to get the small set.
Alternatively, any suggestions for doing a good job printing one's own cards, i.e. like the best card stock, how to make the cards fully opaque, etc., which may or would apply not to just NV but to other mentalism or magic where you may need to make your own cards, would be appreciated. Thanks. Michael |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
You could buy through Richard's website just a spare set of small cards some time ago, but they seem to be sold out. Do what I do: Prepare your own business cards. You can write the numbers by yourself on the backside of your business cards using a waterproof marker. It looks good and you can (at least occasionally) let your participants keep their taken cards. Good advertisement, and you have only to replace some cards. Jan
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George Hunter Inner circle 2017 Posts |
Richard recently sent a Clairvoyance effect to purchasers of Numeric Vortex that, in my experience so far, exceeds (in impact) any of the effects in the manual.
Essentially, a spectator cuts the number cards and, without looking at the top card, places it in an opaque envelope. The mentalist slowly discern the number, writes it on the envelope which, when opened, matches the number on the card inside. I love it! George |
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Worsham New user Forest Hill, Maryland 3 Posts |
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On Sep 22, 2014, JanForster wrote: Thank you for the idea. I have fortunately been able to find a set of the small NV cards. In focusing on NV it got me to thinking: is there a way to rework NV or another mentalism effect so as to be able to "divine" 9 numbers (the number of digits in a soc. sec. #), as opposed to the 6 numbers in NV? |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
Not that I know on the fly... But you could certainly work a system out. But what is wrong with 6 numbers? I "sell" them as TAN numbers, transaction numbers you need for online banking. You get a good story about security of online banking if there is a mentalist around and officially I created random numbers by using one of the many online password creators... Jan
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Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
Hey Jan,
I love that idea! Thanks. Richard |
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4192 Posts |
Richard, we see us soon in Vegas... Jan
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Richard Osterlind V.I.P. 2213 Posts |
I am looking forward to it, Jan!
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Worsham New user Forest Hill, Maryland 3 Posts |
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On Sep 23, 2014, JanForster wrote: Jan - Numeric Vortex is fantastic, I am glad Richard came up with it, and there is nothing wrong with 6 numbers. I was simply thinking that if you could do something similar with 9 numbers, it is first off more impressive because you are 'divining' a longer number, but also because 9 is the number of digits in a soc. sec. number, and the possible fear that the magician/mentalist can read a mind and hence a soc. sec. # that much more palpable and real. One might even get people to actually double check the security of their passwords, etc. Michael |
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