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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 02:28, mastermindreader wrote: What exactly do you mean by "just as common"? Do you mean there were as many before Roe as after, or are you just posting something to streghten your psition on abortion? :Just as common" does not mean a whole heck of a lot when taken as a supposed statement of fact.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Were there more or less deaths of mothers prior to or after abortion became a legal medical procedure? The answer is not an opinion. It is a simple fact.
I take it that you are in favor of bringing back the back alley abortionists because that would be the practical result of outlawing all abortions. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 14:27, mastermindreader wrote: What does your response have to do with my question as what "just as common" means?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 15:02, acesover wrote: What does your response have to do with my question as what "just as common" means? Also why do you feel I am infavor of "back alley abortionists"? I don't see where I said that. I guess that is an assumption on your part. Oh well. You know about assumptions. You must also know from previous discussions that I am not opposed to abortion as such but opposed to aboration as a convience.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Just two minutes of research will give you the entire history of abortion laws and their effects on the number of illegal abortions.
Here's an example: (Note that from the founding of this country until the 1880's abortions were a common and legal practice in the United States.) Quote:
The prohibition of legal abortion from the 1880s until 1973 came under the same anti-obscenity or Comstock laws that prohibited the dissemination of birth control information and services. For an extensive history see the entire article at http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/......ion.html Those who are arguing that the lack of statistics prior to the early seventies somehow debunks the WP article should reread the last sentence of the above quote. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 15:27, mastermindreader wrote: Do you ever answer when you are put on the spot or do you always go off on a tangent? We were talking about morality and your quote of "just as common". Nothing about the legality of abortion. I think we all know here that abortion on demand for convience is legal here in the United States. Whether people beieve it is moral is another issue. We know it is legal. We got that. I will repeat what I have repeated many times on this topic. I am not aganist abortion for the safety of the mother to be but rather her right to have an abortion because it is a conveinence and would interupt her wonderful life style. Would not want to cramp her life style with a baby to stop her from partying and getting pregnant again. Jeeez no it is legal. Go for it honey. Would not want to cramp your life style with a baby. Have no fear, Obama Care will pay for it. Its a good thing, throw some more "yet to be born" out in the garbage. Just so you are happy. That is the moral thing...isn't it? Maybe not... Sarcasm
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Aces, do you think it moral for a married woman to have an abortion if the husband concurs?
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 17:26, landmark wrote: Depends on the reason. Is her life in jeopardy? Or is it just for conveience? If her life is in jeopardy her and her husband will obviously discuss it and I am sue they will probably agree that an abortion is their best option to save her life. However in this instance the final decision should be hers. Remember we are saying her life is in jeopardy not iminent death if she decides to have the baby.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
Aces,
If you haven't figured it out yet, sex is here to stay. Relying on abstinence as your cure-all is shortsighted and naive. But it seems it's the mere act of sex that you object to. Sex is a natural and healthy part of being human. There is nothing immoral about consenting unmarried adults having safe and responsible sex. What does it matter to you what body parts get put where in the privacy of someone elses bedroom? We should be more concerned about wars, poverty, hunger, curing disease, etc. And by the way, less pregnancies means less poverty, hunger, and abortions. Thank you, contraceptives! There's good evidence that... Teen pregnancies are highest in states with abstinence-only policies: http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/04/......ucation/ Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Acesover-
I SPECIFICALLY answered as to what I meant by "just as common." I can't help it if you can't be bothered, or are somehow unable, to comprehend what I wrote, or to even look at the historical resources provided. READ the article at the link I gave. We can hardly have a discussion unless you at least make an effort to understand what those who disagree with you are saying. |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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Would not want to cramp your life style with a baby. Have no fear, Obama Care will pay for it. Where did you get that from? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2013-02-12 23:42, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Magnus, thank you for posting this chart that clearly shows that abortion rates have clearly NOT reached an all time low. I think that was my main point. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
I think we've gotten a bit afield of Magnus' original intent.
But I could be mistaken. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2013-02-10 16:29, LobowolfXXX wrote: I agree. When I wrote "insufficient evidence" I didn't intend the threshold of sufficiency to be that of a mathematical proof, and maybe not even that of a (U.S., say) criminal trial; more akin to a (U.S., say) civil trial. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
1. Sasquatch (bigfoot) is a creature living in the world today.
Nope 2. Some humans have telepathic powers. Nope 3. Governments are suppressing evidence of alien landings on earth. Nope 4. Barack Obama was born in Africa. Nope 5. Human activity is changing the climate of the earth. Likely, or at least influencing the rate of that change 6. The society that you live in today is less moral than the society of 50 years ago. No idea 7. William Shakespeare of Stratford wrote the plays that are normally attributed to him. Yup 8. Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. Yup 9. Marijuana cures cancer. Not exactly 10. Elvis is dead. Yup
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Is gambling moral?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 19:57, LobowolfXXX wrote: I'll give you five to one that it is. |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 20:23, mastermindreader wrote: LOL! |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-02-13 18:56, R.S. wrote: What the he77 are you talking about...the cure all for what? Did you address the question I posed to you about if you were a father and had a daughter? Obviously not because you know the answer. So anyone who abstains from sex while they are not married is short sighted and naive to your way of thinking. Lets get something clear here. There is sex and there is sex. You know what we are discussing here is not kissy, huggy, feely, make one feel good sex, but rather the act of copoulation. Please don't give me any crap about sex is here to stay. That is such a childish statement it is laughable...I think everyone here knows it is here to stay. It has been here since man hasa abeen here and wil continue. Truthfully now, did you believe that was a profound statement and thought you had? How old are you? No one said anything about it going anywhere, least of all me. To be honest if people are incapable of controlling themselves from copoulating they are definitely not emotionally ready for it. While sex is here to stay and I sure hope it is I don't believe we are ready for couples to copulate just because it feels good. Come on now are you that base? Are you telling me it is OK to act in this manner just because it feels good? Honestly I have to believe you area little more mature than that, and I would hope a little more moral in your thinking. If not I truly feel sorry for you and I really mean that. It takes all kinds of people to make up the world and you had bshould realize that sex in the form we are discussing goes way beyond just making one feel good. There are strong emotions involved and it should not be used as a mere means of entertainment. Your views obviously differ. As I said before so be it. Just remember the emotional implications involved in what you are condoning. They can be devastating to those involved if practiced in the manner in which you condone..
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2013-02-14 00:35, acesover wrote: "We"? Who are you speaking for? Are you losing sleep at night because millions of unmarried couples all over the world are having sex? Are you really that fixated on sex? Shouldn't we judge people on their character, their work ethic, their trustworthiness, their contribution to society, and their regard for fellow humans rather than on whether or not they choose to be intimate with a partner out of wedlock? And shouldn't contraceptives be an option to those who do not choose abstinence until marriage (or otherwise)? Thank you for your thoughts on this, Aces. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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