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Short Video, you'll like it teevte ^^ (irony) lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFQRazToUUQ
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I already love those tricks! ;-)
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HA! Thanks Stereo...

I can't say that my mind has been changed... in fact it has confirmed what I thought previously... oh well, I can't love them all.
I do think that the dice one looks interesting though... I am holding out hope for that.

And for the record, when it comes to Tenyo I also liek the proppy clever mechanisms so I am not expressing why I do not love Lubor's tricks very well. I'm not sure what it is, I just tend not to react to many of his tricks.
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Regarding this video, it does not really highlights lubor's trick lol So I understand your don't change your mind !!
Even me seeing that I thought "oh no !" lol

I don't like Blue Crystal too that much but for Invisible Zone I don't understand at all because it's the trick that every time I perform it the people love, are amazed and do not understand at all. Its clever, mini illusion, great mechanism, And the use of classic Bic orange pen is really good because everyone know this pen.
So, Detest ? at this point? Tell me why. I want to understand.
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Well I did not say detest... that was Mirror Mate... I said dislike...

Why? I don't know, why do you dislike a food or whatever? It just does not appeal to me.

If I had to break it down I think it is that the method seems so obvious to me. It was obvious the first time I ever saw it. Maybe it is the magician in me speaking but I think when you open the door and see the emtpy space (spring) people can just assume that what really happened is how it happened. In other words it leaves no real explaination other than the actual one so it is easy to guess.

Somehting liek say Crystal Cleaver does not have an obvious method... so people can trick themselves into thinking this or that happened... with Invisibel Zone they can only say "Well I guess the pen never REALLY wen in there" and guess what... they are correct.

Plus you cannot examine it... if you coudl somehow hand it out then cool... but you cannot and that just cements it for me. Whenever I see it ranked as one of the best Tenyo effects I am always confused by that but I knwo I am in the minority here.
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Ok,I understood. Thank you ;o)
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It's one thing to say that you don't like "Invisible Zone," though justifying the statement would be difficult. But to say it doesn't fool anyone but children tells us that you can't perform a simple magic trick. "Invisible Zone" is amazingly deceptive to anyone, adult or child, magician or laymen.

As far as "Blue Crystal," the routine that will change your mind will be published in the Tenyo book.

And if you haven't tried performing "Third Eye" on some people, you're missing a great trick.

Not every prop has to be examinable--this is where performing experience comes in.
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I'm not sure if you intend to be insulting or not Richard but I hope not.
I assure you that I can perform this simple magic trick just fine. Just because my experiences differ from yours does not invalidate them or make me incompetent.

I don't need to justify my opinions nor do you or anyone else, opinions by definition cannot be proven right or wrong.

I am very open minded and love to be proven wrong. I look forward to your Blue Crystal routine.
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The routine is Shimomura's, not mine, but I have been performing it steadily and people tend to jump back a step at the magic moment.
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Invisible Zone is an excellent trick.

Invariably with ALL magic tricks, instructions and patter recommendations are only "guides". The user is left to interpret a trick's instructions and the results don't always pan out so well. That said, most people don't work a trick enough to become good or competent with it.

Thunderstaff can be a good trick in the hands of the right magician, and I think it sucks.

I can say that I have had the fortune of seeing some of Richard's handlings and they are excellent. He's not using any special skills either other than alternate and/or optimized handlings.

Blue Crystal is an underrated and wonderful trick, but I can tell you that when modified a certain way, it's even better Smile
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On 2013-09-24 15:58, teevtee wrote:
I agree that I will likely purchase them all... but that doesn't mean I'll liek it! ;-)

Seriously I tend to side with Mirror Mate on the Lubor stuff. I greatly respect his creativity and contributions to magic and I 100% totally agree with John that most magic today is repetative and unoriginal and you cannot say that about Lubor's work. But still, even with that said I just do not find many of his effects to be very convincing, they often seem very proppy and toy like to me. But I guess you could say that about a lot of Tenyo stuff and in general it does nto bother me. but liek Mirror I really dislike Invisible Zone... I have never seen it fool anyone other than a child and it just does not appeal to me.

To me Crystal Cleaver is probably the #1 Tenyo effect, I love Bill Escape, Prison Box and many others as well... but not Invisible Zone of Blue Crystal... they rate near my personal bottom.


Lubor is a genius. Truly one of modern day magic's greats.
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It's interesting how passionate people can get about this kind of thing. I LOVE passion so it is certainly not a bad thing but it sort of reminds me of iPhone lovers versus Android fans or back in the day Sega vs. Nintendo or whatever.
There is no right or wrong answer. It's OK to NOT like something and it does not mean that person is ignorant or incapable of understanding... it simply means that tastes differ.

Invisible Zone to me is not my favorite trick, that takes nothing away from those who love it. I think I actually perform it very well. I have nearly 4 decades of performing magic under my belt... I am by no means a "master" nor am I even a professional but I do have a great deal of experience and it is a very simple trick to perform. So I don't think it is so much about that... I don't like it when I see OTHER people perform it. It's just not my thing for whatever reason.

Again, that is not a slam on those who clearly love it or those who created it... just one guys (valid) opinion.
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Hi teevee I don't think anyone is thinking you are slamming anyone, by all means share your opinions and others will too... keeps things interesting. Believe me there are many tricks in magic that I dislike that others really like and vice versa. Lubor definitely has a solid fan base, myself included, but doesn't mean everyone has to like everything he does.

For me I am not a huge fan of Billscape although it is a big favorite of many. It is a good trick but as a Tenyo item doesn't meet the criteria of my favorite tricks... cool mechanical method and unusual design... but no I am not interested in selling mine if anyone was wondering Smile

I am interested in this Blue Crystal handling though... Richard any update on the book progress?
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I'll give Invisible Zone props for being a mechanically cool thing. In that sense I like it and I agree that it is very Tenyo-like. But as an actual effect it has never done much for me.

I am going out on a limb here because I have never thought much about this but I wonder if a trick never fools you if that then has a huge influence on how you think about it... it certainly makes sense.
From the first moment I saw Invisible Zone I guessed exactly how it was done... it just seemed so obvious to me that it was never "magical". I was kind of interested to see how it worked machanically but there was never a sense of "wow" or "how can that be".
No Billscape on the other hand had be totally confused... and while it does not have the mechanical wackiness learning the method only made me like it more. But I wonder if that is simply because it tricked me.
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I definitely think it will probally have a bigger impact if it fooled us originally, especially for Tenyo where the method is a big selling point usually.
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I agree: being fooled by something will definitely affect your opinion of it.

The book is coming well. Just hit 200,000 words. It's looking more like it will be two 400-page volumes. It's just a helluva lot of thinking and writing! Part of the fun is going back and relearning every Tenyo trick from its written instructions. It's amazing how many people leave out important details that are clearly explained in the instructions when doing a trick.
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Thanks for the update Richard. Sounds like there will many new insights, can't wait.
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Thank you !!
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The cards used in Kondo's trick use the back design of Third Eye cards. That's strange.

Very good year for me.
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