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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Reiterating Bats' question: is anybody going to 'fess up to pre-ordering this?
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 07:09, gdw wrote: You are a true contrarian! (This is where you reply "No, I'm not.")
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 13:04, gdw wrote: Wow. Confirmation bias at work.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 15:13, FrenchDrop wrote: Are the artists doing what I am talking about making MORE, or LESS money, and having MORE, or LESS exposure as a result?
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 13:01, Zombie Magic wrote: LOL, I completely missed that.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 15:23, gdw wrote: Look up the definition of "confirmation bias," then ask yourself if I'm saying the limited, anecdotal cases you're pointing to are wrong...or if I'm saying something else.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Page 20!!!!! Woohoo!!!!
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
WE DID IT, PEOPLE!
I knew we could. There was never any doubt in my mind. NOW LOCK THIS THREAD!!!
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Congratulations FD, gdw, Bats, Dan and most of all Jamie F.
Wow, it's like the Olympic Closing Ceremony, only more so! |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 14:31, DanHarlan wrote: You don't need to credit anyone, though it would be considerate to do so. Again, I point to Lee Asher and the Asher Twist knock off video that was being sold. Even without the video referencing or crediting him, Lee was able to garner more customers out of it. Especially with the internet opening up easy world wide communication and research, even if the original creator doesn't put in the effort to call out uncrediting knock-offs, the community does. Who, in magic, HASN'T talked about knock-offs? Quote:
Also, I'm still a bit confused why I can't just share the original work. It's already complete. I own it. It already credits everybody and mentions the distributor. According to Glenn West, anything except the original would be inferior, so a free version of the original seems like an improvement. When I suggested making the work available for free, Glenn West was quick to point out that Blue Crown might take legal action. How can I make Glenn West famous and give Blue Crown free marketing and publicity if Glenn West doesn't think Blue Crown will let me exercise my right to do whatever the hell I please with the information? You absolutely CAN, in my opinion, share the original. I'm just making it clear that there is the risk of others might pursue legal action over for it, possibly more likely than when others normally upload material, as you've been rather public about it here. I, however, will NOT pursue any "legal action" against you, and, no, I'm NOT implying I would pursue any other action to stop you either. You do it at your own risk. My point was that there would be far less, if not no risk of (effective) legal action if you were to create your own video explaining it. As for anything but the original being inferior, no, not at all what I was saying. I was saying a "trimmed" down teaching, from someone other than the creator, or done without consulting/working with the creator, is almost certainly going to be inferior coverage of the effect and mechanics. Would you rather learn The Asher Twist from Lee himself, or from the Ghost Kings video? http://www.leeasher.com/playground/articles/trade.html That's not to say someone else wouldn't be able to develop something BETTER, and derivative of the original, in which case they will have had to hav added something. They are doing something different, or more than the original. Quote:
Glenn West is right, you know. This whole copyright and IP protection stuff makes it way too complicated for me to just give everybody a copy of information I own. I'll have a think on it... and get back to you. That is true, it most certainly IS complicated.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
No, no, gdw, we've reached 20 pages. You really don't need to keep posting.
Next you'll tell me you're being serious, haha! |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
20 pages brought to us by Scoop Ferguson. He's done it again!
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 15:39, tomsk192 wrote: I'm hearing all of our national anthems now. I think it's very fitting that the post that put us over the top was from gdw, and once again missed the point of the post he was replying to.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
They'll call this thread "the windbag thread" for obvious reasons.
Some folk really love the sound of their own keyboard. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 15:47, Ray Chelt wrote: Thank you, Ray. This is a victory for the whole team. I'm just happy to be here. We went in with a plan, we carbed up, and we executed well. It just all came together for us. I'd like to thank Lexmark, the makers of my keyboard. It's an IBM Model M... (crowd roars) ...the legend, people, yeah!... ...with that classic buckling-spring technology. It's old, but no keyboard sounds better or holds up longer for those big, key posts. Thank you IBM and Lexmark! This is your victory, too! Woooo!
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 15:27, FrenchDrop wrote: I'm well aware of what you are saying. You can look to any examples you like of people doing this. Are they finding more success, or not, compared to when they were working within the current IP system? Please, if you have examples of people intentionally abandoning the IP paradigm, and, as a direct result of that, being unsuccessful, share with us. That would certainly offer information to balance things then wouldn't it? Obviously, in ANY market some people will be successful, and others not, even when they do everything "right," but so far the overwhelming evidence which I have seen has shown the efficacy of abandoning he current IP system. If it's really just confirmation bias, I would love to see the other examples. The more information we have, the better we can formulate more informed informed opinions.
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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gdw Inner circle 4884 Posts |
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On 2013-03-14 15:55, FrenchDrop wrote: I'm still on an iMac, so my keyboard is fairly thin and doesn't make that much noise when I type. No wonder it's been so unsatisfying
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
I won't forget you Robert. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Oh my goodness. It's like that moment when the sinner realises that hell is for all eternity.
Heaven help us. |
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FrenchDrop Inner circle I can name that tune in 1647 Posts |
Still missing the point, Glenn, but I wouldn't have you change. If you had, we might not have made it to Page 20.
"A great magician has said of his profession that its practitioners '… must pound and rack their brains to make the least learning go in, but quarrelling always comes very naturally to them.'” -- Susanna Clarke, Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell
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