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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
Stay away from this man is my advise. I invested nearly a hundred pounds in a wallet of alkazam and they allowed brian expose it for free. don't know why they did it because now magician will be scared to buy more akakazsm wallets because of exposure fear by the Brian. on top of it there were secrets from other inventors who didn't give alakzam or Brian permission for exposure. buying or suppirting this booktest is supporting exposure and not respecting other people creative work is my opinion.
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
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On Dec 27, 2014, emyers99 wrote: This is the argument concerning all exposure. Even if it's true--and it is not clear how much damage all this exposure is doing to our art--that doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it right to support exposers by buying any products they may produce, no matter how good they are. I too hope the workings of this booktest are exposed. |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2014, Ray Haining wrote: Unfortunately, this will do no good. It will be just another effect exposed. It won't repair the damage already done. Vote against him with your wallet. Don't buy his stuff! Tell every magician you know. Tell them about this low-born! Best revenge I know! Doug |
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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
I am also not buying from alakazam no more because they sold secrets I paid a lot of money for (mentalism wallets) in exchange for exposure of important secrets and principles by brian. I don't earn a lot so every penny counts with me, I will only now buy from dealers who not give away these secrets for cash.
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Ray Haining Inner circle Hot Springs, AR 1907 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2014, Dougini wrote: This may be true--and the desire for revenge, I have to admit, is not a commendable motivation--but it would at least hit those that are using his booktest who appear not to give a hoot about what this guy (Brian) has done in the past. It would be the perfect irony. |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Great 3 year old mentality. Today, ask 10 people if any of them have heard of Brushwood. I would be stunned if any of them has. If so, they probably won't remember any specifics. So the only ones giving the guy publicity are magicians. Exposure is a sin...but so is drawing more attention to it by ranting about it
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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
That is a weak defence Eric to justify your position. calling people a 3 year old is no argument for buying materials from a person who happily exposes secrets that are not belong to him. Put it simply, buying anything from Brian is supporting exposure. Its plain and simple.
Ignoring his exposure bevhavior by saying the book text is great is making you a hypocrite. Cant you see that? |
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
What is ridiculous is that there is already two other multi-page threads elsewhere on the Café about Brian and the Invisible Deck. Yet, a thread about his book test is at 26 pages, and while I don't care to go through all of them, I bet less then 20 posts are reviews about the actual book. Sometimes, I feel bad for people who come to these threads trying to find an honest review of a product and have to sift through 25 pages of you suck, he sucks, supporting him makes you suck, buying products mean you have no ethics, morals, etc.
Take the bashing to the other threads, and leave review threads as just that....review threads. Sadly, it still won't happen. |
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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
You are tring to deflect the real issue and not take responsibility for your action Michael. You supporting exposure that is your current position here.now we all know thank you.
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ManchurianMan83 Veteran user United Kingdom 305 Posts |
While I can completely understand the negative feelings towards BB and his actions, what I cannot understand is why so many people here who would claim to have such a devotion and passion for this art and want to see magic develop and grow then say 'I hope this method gets exposed' or 'I hope no one buys or uses this'.
Should we not be putting the art before the performer? I get the whole boycott mentality, to object to actions of one individual but if that person creates something that truly elevates the art (not necesarily saying this is THAT but I mean in general) are we not doing more of a disservice to our own art which we love and want to see grow if we ignore or deliberately ruin such a creation just to see one or handful of individuals suffer? I would much rather ignore BB, but if he truly creates something that can be used by many other,potentially more skilled performers in advance of our art, should that not be the better approach? Rather than always make a negative out of a negative situation (revenge philosophy), try and re-engineer it into a positive (push forward the magic art)? Magic methods/routines are not sentient things...they are not inherently aligned one way or the other. Just because BB created it, doesn't mean the book test itself is to blame for his conduct so what benefit to us does exposing it as backlash or boycotting it so we miss out on potential gold star thinking give? None! Other than he might lose some money which he probaly doesn't need anyway! As I say, I'm not defending him, I just feel attacking our own art as a counter move is counter productive I feel. I get some people feel that to buy means to support. Let's be clear, if I was to buy, it would be to develop my knowledge and support the art of magic itself, not to support any such creator. If a creator creates something, no matter who they are or what they have done, I feel to develop our art we should at least listen. Support him? no Support magic's growth? yes! |
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
Raj, I am not one to not take responsibility for anything. I will clearly step up and say I purchased an effect that I thought would enhance my show. Did I know at the time that Brian had exposed the ID on a webshow. Yep, sure did. I will live with that. I also know that a handful of big names in magic have also praised me for reaching out to them and offering them compensation for an idea or line, when most people just rip them off. So I will sit here comfortable in my morals and ethics.
But here is my question.....you just called Eric a hypocrite...yet if somebody came to one of our shows and exposed how we did the book test in the middle of our show, you are fine with that? What was said a few posts up? Karma would be well deserved? So, if the exposure happens to us, one of your fellow brethren, that's ok? I am fine with that, but I think that also hits at hypocrisy. You can't pick an choose when exposure is bad. (Maybe the indication was to go to Brian's show and expose the book test, not one of ours. Not sure. But regardless...) Thanks Manchurian for a well reasoned post. I can truly see how people view my purchase and understand the frustration. But, I still don't think that means I have no morals or ethics in magic. But that is for me to live with I guess. I don't think one purchase compromises everything I have cared about for this craft for over 30 years. |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
ManchurianMan said it best. And to say that buying this book test supports exposure is complete lunacy.
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Michael Dustman Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 1220 Posts |
Duly noted saysold. While I will agree to disagree with you on this thread, I will say that I do value your insight and thoughts on many other threads in the Penny section as well as the Pro Mystic forums. You make more sense than others. Hopefully we will find common ground on other threads. On this one, it is what it is.
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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2014, Michael Dustman wrote: When I said about karma I didn't mean for someone to expose the booktext. I am against all form of exposure. I think if you support a person who is happy to exposure so you can have a prop to use then karma has a way of catching up. Nothing to do with exposure of brians booktest. Two wrongs don't make a right. If you can live with your actions then we agree to disagree on it. Neither of us can win an argument when our morals are in differint places to start with. |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Again, you are completely out of line by attacking anyone's morals. You are acting like a baby Raj. Any before you respond or question anyone's morals again, go read all your posts defending Craig Petty's release of Red. Glass houses my friend.
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Raj Suman Veteran user 318 Posts |
I say we need to agree to disagree. Buyers of the book test will never be in agreement with people who agree never to support brian and his exposure.
I can see conflicting interests but buyers are blinded to this so there will not be a resolution but always two sides not agreeing. |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
So Raj logic says that ripping someone off is ok (Red) but exposure is bad. Interesting
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Some people are happy to financially support known exposers of magic secrets, others would never dream of giving them a brass farthing. We all have different ethical standards.
Personally, it will be a cold day in hell when I consider buying anything from someone like Brushwood, regardless of the quality of the product (in fact, it would make it more distasteful for me that I was abandoning my principles for selfish reasons), but I understand others have a different ethical line in the sand. |
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Jamie Ferguson Inner circle Alba Gu Brà th 3640 Posts |
I'm with Martin, Raj and Saysold1 on this one.
My ethics dictate I could never buy a thing from Brian Brushwood. Those who do aren't true magicians as they are knowingly supporting exposure and are therefore advocating breaking the Magicians code. They are just people who have decided to treat magic as a commercial vehicle to meet financial goals. Brian's previous actions cannot be 'brushed' under the carpet just because he releases a half decent trick. Also, Eric, anyone who feels the need to resort to the Craig Petty Red thing to try and win an argument automatically loses. How lame!
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