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Any unique presentational ideas for B'Wave? Look forward to hearing everyone's different approaches to present this effect. Thanks! Smile
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I believe we've covered this so do a search. I remember putting in my presentations which leaves the spectator with the impression that he could have thought of any card.
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One name: David Eldridge. You can look up his work at http://www.magicshop.com Smile
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I appreciate the links, but none of them list anything about presentation. I'm mostly interested in the framing ideas of the presentation. I'll do another search, but have yet to find this. Thanks for your help! Smile
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Jon Racherbaumer has a superb "synergystic" routine that uses the 3 sets of court cards (the routine has 3 predictions and it concludes with B-wave ) Jon's routine is called 'Fried Thrice' and I highly reccomend it.

it's available as a stand alone manuscript (search the web for "Fried Thrice")

or...

in one of his manuscripts (I believe it's published in "Psy-Clones")

Sidenote: Jon's website (www.jonracherbaumer.com) is a SUPER value (you'll find the above manuscript as a 'freebie' once you join.)
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Thanks for the feedback, guys! I've been wondering about the same thing as far as the different presentations I can use for B'Wave.

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When I first saw it done, Maven himself, it fried me big time... what he presented, and how he presented it and marketed it is good enough for me.
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On 2003-11-20 20:04, leefoley3 wrote:
One name: David Eldridge. You can look up his work at http://www.magicshop.com Smile

Thanx, Lee. Here is my presentation for B'Wave. Don't worry. In order to do the trick, or know how it works, you will still have to buy it.

“In my hands are four cards. They are the four Queens. Now, I have turned one of the Queens face-up as sort of a prediction. I’m not going to show her to you yet. Before I show her to you, you and I are going to travel back in time to the time just before we met, the time in which I set these cards into their current position.

Now, pretend that you are a fly on the wall watching my every move. You can see me removing the queens from the deck (pantomime this action. This will be of value in the future), and holding them in my hands. Next, you can see me removing two of the queens from the packet, and placing them onto the table in front of me. Now, I either removed the black Queens or the red Queens. Which did I remove? The choice is yours. The Black Queens, the Clubs and Spades? Are you sure that is you choice? Fine, so I removed the black Queens from the packet leaving the red Queens, the Hearts and Diamonds in my hand, correct? All right, so I took one of those red Queens, and held it up. Do not say anything out loud, but can you see whether it is the Hearts or Diamonds, yes, or no? Did I turn this face-up or did I leave it face down? Again, the choice is yours. Face-up? Are you sure? All right, so I turned this card face-up and placed it back onto the card in my hand. Then, I placed the two cards from the table back into the packet. So, which of the red Queens did you see me turn face-up, the Queen of Hearts or the Queen of Diamonds? Again, the choice is yours. The Queen of Diamonds, are you sure? Good, because the Queen of Diamonds is in fact the face-up Queen.”

At this point the cards are spread to show that the Queen of Diamonds is in fact the face up Queen.

“Now, you may be thinking that I got that result through some kind of luck, or coincidence. Luck had nothing to do with it, and the proof of that is the fact that the Queen of Diamonds was taken from a different deck!”

At this point the Queen is removed from the packet, turned face down, and replaced into the packet.

“Of course, you may also be thinking that I somehow, maybe through the use of some kind of magician’s sleight of hand, I turned the Queen of Diamonds face-up after you selected her identity. I did no such thing, and the proof of that lies in the fact that the Queen of Diamonds… is the only Queen in the pack!”

At this point the entire packet is turned over to show the Queen of Diamonds is the only card amongst three blank-faced cards.

That is my handling for B’wave. This is a wonderful trick and fries lay audiences as well as magicians. There are several problems with the performance and patter aspect of the effect as it is marketed, however. Please, do not miss understand me. I have the highest respect for Phil Goldstein, and his work. The routine as it is packaged is workable and does work. All I have done is expounded on Phil’s method by adding more presentation and changing the Equivoque to suit my style.

Plus the fact that magicians can’t seem to be able to tell the difference between B’wave and Twisted Sisters. While they are similar in the fact that the same gaffs are employed they are different not only in the overall effect, but method as well. Twisted Sisters uses a ploy wherein one spectator has a totally free choice and the other is forced to think of a queen of the opposite color. B’wave, on the other hand, uses Equivoque to narrow the choice down to one particular color. Twisted Sisters is a great magic trick. B’wave is a mental trick. They are very different.

Bring out the packet of cards and hold them squared in the left hand. Do not perform an Elmsley Count. This is a common mistake, because Twister Sisters use one at the beginning. Remember, you tell the audience that you turned one of the cards face up before you presented them, so to do an Elmsley Count to show 4 face down cards does not make any sense. Resist the temptation to make this a magic trick. Besides, if you show 4 face down cards, the rest of the patter and presentation does not make any sense.

Tell the spectators about the trip through time. Telling them to imagine you removing the Queens from a deck is a nice way of getting out of that, “Why do you keep those ‘special’ cards in that wallet?” problem, which really is not a problem for lay people. It is only a problem for magicians. If a magician sees another performer remove a few cards from a plastic wallet, he or she sees a magician removing gaffed cards. If, however, lay people see a magician removing a few cards from a plastic wallet, a few cards are all that they see. Lay people, generally, have not heard of “trick cards”. They have heard only of “trick decks”! I have never been asked if I am using trick cards after doing a packet trick. I have, however, been asked that annoying question after doing a series of cards tricks with a regular deck such as, The Ambitious Card and Triumph.

In the marketed patter, it is suggested that if the spectator selects the non-force color, you are to say something to the effect of, “All right, then I will remove the black cards and throw them away.” As in our Lobster analogy, this is extremely bad form. Here is where the word Remove can be used to our advantage. The basic rule is to never use the word Remove after the spectator has made a choice. Only use it before a selection is made. This way the word can be used as sort of a two-way swinging door. After a choice has been made you can place a different meaning onto the word if need be. Notice that I said that “I removed two of the queens and placed them onto the table in front of me.” All that implies is that I separated the black queens from the red queens (so far). Now, I ask the spectator, “Which did I remove the Black queens, or the red queens. The choice is yours”. Two things happen here. One, the answer to the question will determine the definition of the word Remove. Second (and possibly the more valuable for the spectator’s future recollection of events), the spectator is informed that the choice is theirs. The face up queen in the packet is red, so if they say that I removed the black queens, I then say, “The black queens, the Clubs and Spades. Are you sure?” By asking the spectator if they are sure implies that they could change their minds. If they say they are sure, then you repeat their apparent choice by saying, “Okay, so I removed the black queens.” Then I draw all attention to the “red queens” remaining in my hand.

If, on the other hand, they answer that I removed the red queens, then I draw all of the attention to the red cards that I removed from the packet, and placed on the table in front of me. The spectators will assume that I removed the red queens in order to use them. Do not mention the black queens again. When a spectator decides on the red queens, do not remind them of the black queens. Also, it is very important to name the suits!!! It is amazing to me that even magicians don’t think about the fact that each of the colors contain two different suits. There is nothing worse than to get to the pay-off of B’wave only to ask the spectator which card you turned face-up just to hear them say, “Uh… the red one.” I even had one inebriated soul answer, “Duh…all of them?” Anyway, I digress.

Notice that I remind the spectator that the “choice is theirs” about 3 times through out the trick. This is a very important thing of which to remind them. It makes them feel more in control of the situation. This is something used by Max Maven.

Now, pretend to pick up one of the red queens either from the packet in your hand, or off of the table depending on the choice of the spectator. Have him visualize which queen it is. Now is a good time to mention the red suits, hearts and diamonds. Ask him if this was the card you turned face-up or if you left it face down. Again, say, “The choice is yours” even though it really does not matter. Either way you get one of the red queens face-up.

The rest of the routine is just presentation. Just follow the rest of the script, and they will be talking about you for the rest of their lives. Smile
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Dpe666's presentation is very well thought out and I'm going to adopt it immediately. Better than Max's! Thanks for sharing. What a great place the Café is. Smile
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Hi Dpe666,

thanks for sharing on your presentation...
I like your version very much...

thanks
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Now that's what I'm talking about. dpe666, that is absolutely terrific, and exactly what I was looking for when I started this thread. Thanks so much for the painstaking effort you used to contribute such a wonderful post. Greatly appreciated! Hope others will continue the trend you started in this thread. Smile
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Didn't Terry Herbert make B'Wave ten years before Max Maven sold his? This is what I heard.

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Thanks for sharing your presentation David!
Smile I told you guys!! Smile
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I've looked in the archives, but couldn't find what I wrote up so here goes:
You approach a spectator and put the packet of cards down and somewhere near them. You say, "Do you mind if we try an experiment of the imagination?" Usually they say Yes. "Good. Now remember is just our imagination so it can't go wrong. (I point to the pile of cards.) Can you imagine that's a full pack of cards? (they say or nod Yes) Good! Great!. Now imagine I reach into that full pack of cards and pull out some cards... but I turn them over and I see I've pulled out all the queens... can you imagine that? (I mime all my actions and finally hold up an imaginery fan of four cards.) Now imagine I take two of the queens and place them back into the full pack of cards... and they're the same color. Did I put back the black queens or the red? (I mime these actions and no matter what they say I say) Great! We're right in sync. Okay, so now we have the red queens in the pack. (Whatever they say I make the statement that fits... if he put back the black queens then it's "Well, now I have the red queens in my hand) Okay, I want you to imagine that I turned over one of the queens....Did I turnover the queen of hearts or Diamonds. Great! Diamonds. We're definitely in sync. Okay, so we started with a full pack of cards then imagine just four them then down to two the one card and only one card. The queen of diamonds. I knew you would think of one card andonly one card the queen of diamonds... look. (I spread the cards to show the diamonds face up.) But I knew you would think of one card and only one... the queen of diamonds so to proveit I pulled it from another pack ( I turn over the card to show the different back) But I was so sure that you would think of one care and one card only...The queen of Diamonds... I was so sure that I put no other cards on the table. ( I turn over the other cards to show blanks.
Here are the fine points: Never do an Elmsley with this effect. It's a mental effect not a magic effect. In my presentation never mention numbers of cards. I only say the word Two when we are supposedly down to the color of queens. Even when I reveal the blanks I say no other cards, not and these three are blank. Keep mentioning that you startedwith a full deck of cards and went down to one card. I have had several people walk away talking about how they could have said any card.
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Mine is better. *wink* Smile
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A devil on the left
An Angel on the right.
There's no mistake
Who I'll be with tonight. Smile Smile

I don't think it will be the angel.

Oh dpe666, I forgot to wink.
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Following the excellent presentations and advice by David and Greg, I decided to share my simple (yet potentially powerful) addition to B'Wave. A number of workers in the know have been using this for years.

At the onset of the effect, ask your participant; "what is your favorite type of court card... you know face card?". Using this wording, notably when asking a female, odds are they will say "Queens". If they do, you go from there.

Further more, there is an excellent chance they may up and name a single card; "Queen of Hearts" (and less likely QD). If they do, you have an instant miracle. If they name one of the other queens, you follow up with "just the value... so Queens."

Lastly, if they do not give you the proper court card, you follow up with "mine are the Queens" and go on with the effect as usual. A dirty out, but well worth it for the potential hit.

Note that the 1 in 3 limiting force (when it hits) will most likely be forgotten in the long run, replaced by the false memory of you just asking them to name "any" card.

MS
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Wow, some great ideas in this thread. I particularly like David Eldridge's approach, and Michael Sibbernsen's too.

But I must disagree on one general point. B'wave is a mental effect, Twisted Sisters is a magic effect. Yes, according to its creator, its instructions, and several posters in this thread, B'wave is a mental effect.

But it doesn't have to be.

I don't for one moment suggest that presenting B'wave as a magic effect (by using an Elmsley Count first) is better. It's a different effect. And it's one that you may prefer. Or you may prefer the mental effect.

With an Elmsley Count,
1 A card magically turns over
2 It's their card, which you couldn't have known
3 The back magically changes its design and colour
4 The other cards are blank

Without an Elmsley Count,
1 It's their card, which you couldn't have known
2 The back has a different design and colour
3 The other cards are blank

One could argue that with an Elmsley Count then it technically isn't B'wave. True. But that doesn't make it a better or worse effect, nor does it make it wrong.

You have the hardware, you can present it how you wish. I used to present it as a mental effect, nowadays I present it as a magic effect. (But having read the ideas of David Eldridge and Michael Sibbernsen, I may now sometimes present it as a mental effect.)

Just my tuppence worth.

Dave

PS - Gotta agree with the endorsement of Fried Thrice. Lovely effect, at the right time.
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Twisted sisters can defnitely be presented as a mental effect as well. it is basically the same principle as b'wave.
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