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On 2003-11-21 13:03, Pete Biro wrote:
When I first saw it done, Maven himself, it fried me big time... what he presented, and how he presented it and marketed it is good enough for me.

I agree. The tree structure that Maven provides in his marketed version is very logical and has no apparent flaws.

The other ones I like are the one by Michael and the one by Greg because they both add an element to the whole thing.
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B'Wave is undoubtedly a great effect whether magic or mental but I do have one problem with it.

Ultimately you will end up with either Queen of Hearts or Diamonds. Most people already know that one of the most popular cards is the Queen of Hearts so when you end the effect with this card it can appear to the spec that perhaps the whole thing was just a lucky guess - based on the fact that you just chose the most popular card. I would like to see this effect sold not as Queens but as Twos or Nines. That, in my mind would make it a truly fantastic effect.

What do you guys think?
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You could do it with the black queens from the twisted sisters set
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Do a similar mental presentation with the twisted sister (with 2 spectators of course), there's no way they'll accuse you on the lucky guess.
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On 2003-11-28 14:42, SharkTrager wrote:
Ultimately you will end up with either Queen of Hearts or Diamonds. Most people already know that one of the most popular cards is the Queen of Hearts so when you end the effect with this card it can appear to the spec that perhaps the whole thing was just a lucky guess - based on the fact that you just chose the most popular card.


That's why
A - I sometimes use a Twisted Brothers set to perform B'wave
and
B - I started doing the magic effect version instead of the mentalism version.

If the card magically turns over, you never get the "Lucky guess" comment.

And before you ask, the Twisted Brothers set was available from Fournier, but I gather that it's no longer available.

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If you can, grab a copy of Genii from Jan 2000...it's got a great write-up of Just Alan's routine. Very simple and elegant.
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Dpe666,
I really like your presentation. Mine is very similar in the fact that I ask which two queens I remove from the pack of four. Something I added that seems to help is if the say I remove the two force queens, I say

"That's a little strange. I don't know what it is about those queens, I just don't like them as much, so I almost always remove them. It's almost as if you sensed that..."

It sort of plays on the ambiguity of their decision, and some people really react to this (if they're the open-minded type). It also gives a solid reason for removing those cards. My main annoyance with equivoque has always been when someone says "name one...ok so that leaves this..."

It's a red flag for double talk. Or at least it seems that way to me.

Great thoughts everyone, way to disect an amazing effect!

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On 2003-11-28 17:34, Dave Le Fevre wrote:

That's why
A - I sometimes use a Twisted Brothers set to perform B'wave
and
B - I started doing the magic effect version instead of the mentalism version.

If the card magically turns over, you never get the "Lucky guess" comment.

And before you ask, the Twisted Brothers set was available from Fournier, but I gather that it's no longer available.

Dave

The twisted brothers is available in the Fako deck along with twisted sisters, and a slight variation of Skinner's Ultimate 3 card Monte.

I personally use the effect as packaged. I will, in a strolling environment, swap a black set in to totally baffle those that might have seen it from a different table earlier.
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On 2004-08-12 11:33, Rob Eubank wrote:
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On 2003-11-28 17:34, Dave Le Fevre wrote:
And before you ask, the Twisted Brothers set was available from Fournier, but I gather that it's no longer available.


The twisted brothers is available in the Fako deck along with twisted sisters, and a slight variation of Skinner's Ultimate 3 card Monte.


Thanks Rob!

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Use a himber wallet and put two sets of B´wave cards (red and black) in each pocket in the wallet and you have outs for any card named. that's my approach.
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Such great ideas. Thanks everyone.
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Nice suggestions in this string, and I especially like the suggestion of the Himber Wallet, which allows you to produce any Queen you want in front of any audience, even one that just saw you do the trick...That's the way I present it too.

Anyway, here's my 2cents on a little something different in the ending... Smile

-As you show the back of the Queen to be different and it's returned to the fanned pack, once you turn over the fan pack to show that the Queen is the only card you had there with the 3 blanks...I like to, as the fan is turned back down, take the top card in my right hand to show it blank again and throw it down on the table, then the bottom card, then the next top card, and lastly the Queen (which your 2 fingers grab by the lower left end to cover the gaff...Snap it with the other hand to show the absolute last of only 4 cards used and throw it face down on the pack on the table. It's a nice way to end this great trick. Smile -Marion

Setting the record straight...

Straight from the horses mouth; "B'wave" is a contraction of the word "Brainwave." Likewise B'wave is a contraction of the effect as in the Brainwave Deck. In other words, a packet trick version of the Brainwave Deck.

*I would also tend to think that Twisted Sisters is a take off of, a twist if you will off, of B'wave. Sorta wondering how Max Maven didn't think of this as an enhanced version of his great trick before Bannon figured it out...Hey, but even Max can't think of everything... Smile

Anyway, just so you know... Smile -MB
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Hmmm - interesting - I can almost buy that.
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MB is coreect. The instructions for Twisted Sisters credits Bwave as its evolutionary predecessor.

Does anyone else think that using blank face cards gets the spectator thinking in a direction that isn't helpful for the effect?

I prefer using jokers or any other combination of normal (except for court) cards.

Elliott
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On 2004-12-18 22:43, ElliottB wrote:

Does anyone else think that using blank face cards gets the spectator thinking in a direction that isn't helpful for the effect?

I prefer using jokers or any other combination of normal (except for court) cards.

Elliott


I do not like to toot my own horn. However, B'Wave is the effect that I have performed and continue to perform more often than any other effect. It is a main stay in my close-up work as well as my stage show (Giant B'Wave). I carry it everywhere I go (yes, in a little black plastic wallet), and have performed it in every possible way (as far as the 'other' 3 cards are concerned anyway). I have also gotten more praise for my presentation (which can be found on page 1 of this very thread) than I have for almost any other effect I have either constructed or given a presentation to. Therefore, I feel I can speak with some authority as to the performance aspects of B'Wave.

I prefer the blank cards as opposed to Jokers or a collection of indifferent cards. My reasons are that the image of the card they named and ONLY the card they named in the fan is much stronger, theatrically, than when there are other images cluttering up the scene. Also, with "other cards" in the "image" the spectator's brain needs to work a bit harder to see their selection.

Also, as with other effects that "expose" a specially printed (or unprinted as the case may be) card such as Anniversary Waltz, we have to remember that laymen do not think like a magician. They don't link the "gaffs" to other effects. No one upon seeing a blank card (which really is not a gaff in and of itself) or a DF card trace it back to an effect they saw previously, nor do they consider it when they see one employed in a future effect. It is a sort of reverse psychology. "A magician does not reveal a secret, so this special card must not be a secret."

Avoid the use of Himber wallets to avoid the use of Equivoque. As tempting as that may be (for magicians at least), the beauty of B'Wave is in its simplicity, and that the cards are in full view from the very start. A wallet clutters up the effect, and begs the question, "Are those the only cards you have in that wallet?" Smile
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David, reading your presentation some time ago has made me put the effect back in my wallet! Shanks for sharing!
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In the B-Wave directions, Max Maven credits several early versions. In 1978, Karl Fulves published a small pamphlet entitled "Four-Card Brainwave." The effect explored was described as follows: "The trick known as 4-card Brainwave is one where a spectator thinks of an Ace and the performer now shows that the Ace is the only reversed card in a packet containing the four aces. The performer then reveals that the thought Ace has a different color back from the other Aces."

The fifth method given is attributed to S. Leo Horowitz and employed two double- indexed cards and two red/blue double backers. In an extra effect, Brainstorm, Fulves raised the possibility of the face-down cards having different faces. Max Maven streamlined the effect with his B-Wave.
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Interesting points David. You’re effectively buying a much bigger impact for a small risk of exposing the method. On the other hand, I used your patter on some friends last weekend and they were floored. Clearly you know what you’re talking about, so I’ll have to give those blank cards a chance.

Thanks,

Elliott
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Detroit magician Ron Aldrich has an excellent presentation for "B'Wave" that eliminates the equivocal choice. It was published in John Luka's fantastic book L.I.N.T. (1997).

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[quote]On 2004-12-19 00:36, dpe666 wrote:
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On 2004-12-18 22:43, ElliottB wrote:

...Avoid the use of Himber wallets to avoid the use of Equivoque. As tempting as that may be (for magicians at least), the beauty of B'Wave is in its simplicity, and that the cards are in full view from the very start. A wallet clutters up the effect, and begs the question, "Are those the only cards you have in that wallet?"


I use a small himber wallet: The O'Connell Mini Himber from Jerry: http://www.leatherjerry.com/wallets.html
and it works like a dream every time. I have a rubber band around the himber wallet and give the wallet to the spectator before the effect. I have colored the rubber band with some dots on one side for a helping aid. When I need the cards at the end of the effect I let the spectator slide the bands off the wallet and I slowly open the correct side and slowly pull the cards out. Just think of the impact Smile Because of the freely handling of the wallet it adds a very innocent look of the presentation when the spectator handles the wallet. that's my approach...

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