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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2013-05-02 13:18, trueinventor wrote:
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke. |
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Kune Veteran user 312 Posts |
Out of interest, if you were to use two devices at once, would the power be doubled?
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Magician Toronto New user 56 Posts |
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On 2013-03-13 10:43, Exitmat wrote: How safe is this really? All it takes is one spectator with a pacemaker to God forbid get hurt. |
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Dannicus Special user San Diego Ca. 618 Posts |
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On 2013-05-02 12:32, djefvulen wrote: My shoe does click but nobody notices. I work in noisy bars. the metal plate has to make contact with the ground. I used contact cement and did not use the screw. It works just fine.
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Magician Toronto New user 56 Posts |
Thanks,
One more question, Is this something that is of a "heavy duty" quality? Can it be used in restaurant magic work over and over? |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-05-02 13:11, Ustaad wrote: Ustaad, you're an intelligent, generous, blessing to The Café! Zombie |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2013-05-02 13:21, Kune wrote: Good question but, why would you like to do something which might result in an unpredictable outcome? Remember we are playing with 'Static Electricity' (that is being generated by an electronic circuit) and not with nature's 'Static Charge'. Without understanding the working (Pros & Cons) of such circuits it can/ may cause unpredictable results (like severe burns to the body skin in contact). So my humble suggestion would be to avoid such experiments. P.S. Quote:
On 2013-05-02 13:32, Zombie Magic wrote: Zombie Magic, you make me blush. Anyway thank you so much for the kind words.
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke. |
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
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On 2013-05-02 13:25, Magician Toronto wrote: Hi Toronto! Sir, I was a PMEL (Precision Measurement Electronics Lab) technician in the Air Force. We were taught that it only takes 50 milli-amps of current passing through a heart to cause fluctuation or even stop a heart. In theory, a 9 volt battery could do that. However, for any electric current to hurt you it has to have a complete flow path from the point of contact to a "ground" on another point of your body: the "ground" being something that would provide a path for the electric current to actually flow into the "ground" or the earth. We, when working on electrical gear off Aircraft, always had to wear a copper bracelet around the wrist of the hand we would touch the instrument with. The copper bracelit was attached by a metallic cord to a "lightning rod" of sorts that took the current into the dirt outside the building eventually. That way, if we touched an electrically "HOT" item by accident with our hand that had the copper bracelet, the current would flow to the copper bracelet rather than throughout the rest of our body and through our heart potentially stopping it. It was still possible to lose a hand by electrocuting the Frito Lays out of it, but your heart was safe. I once fell asleep with my head dropping and touching an aircraft piece of equipment that had a 10,000 volt supply turned on. I woke up! But really wasn't hurt because the current never passed through my body...it dissipated at the point of contact mostly sort of like when you rub your socks on carpet to give your brother the electric static shock. Contact with high voltage can burn your skin or worse at the point of contact but it is only current flow through your body that can REALLY harm you badly. It sounds crazy but you can touch a 10,000 volt power supply like I did and just get a huge shock at the point of contact...no harm done, if you wear rubber soles or have been otherwise protected against current flow from one side of your body to the other. OR you can touch a wire with 20 amps of current flow powered by a 12 volt power source (car battery) and lose your life if your shoes or feet readily transfer current to the ground or surface you are standing on. People have been struck by lightning which has incredible voltage, with little damage, because God just watched over them at that moment and there was no immidiate flow path to "ground" through their heart or brain. One bald man began to grow hair again! ON the other hand, I once was hanging aluminum rain gutters in a thunderstorm (I am the poster boy for stupid) and lightning struck a neighbors yard...I felt a strong charge come through the gutters because some of the electricity had traveled across the lawn and up the downspout...I got "frazzled"...that explains a lot about me now If someone with a heart pacer was wearing anything metal on the soles of his shoes, or was standing in water, or even possibly touched you "fully charged" with his right hand while wearing a metallic bracelet on his left hand it is, in theory I think, possible for current to pass through his heart. This is what I learned but I've never heard of it happening with only small amounts of static charge. I am guessing the inventors of these neat devices have probably already had all of that looked at and feel safe in offering it to us...but don't know for sure. Ustaad's advice should be considered carefully: "Remember we are playing with 'Static Electricity' (that is being generated by an electronic circuit) and not with nature's 'Static Charge'. Without understanding the working (Pros & Cons) of such circuits it can/ may cause unpredictable results (like severe burns to the body skin in contact). So my humble suggestion would be to avoid such experiments." Earlier on this thread I had stated that I hope the device proves consistent because it lends itself to so many presentations. But after reading Ustadd's cautionary note, I have to rethink that. If the device is rated as "safe" by UL labs or some other entity it's probably ok, but I don't know the story there. Sorry this was so long, hope it helped. |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
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On 2013-05-02 13:53, trueinventor wrote: Thank you for the educative post. . . . and while on the topic of electrocution, HERE is a little more from me!
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke. |
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
Thankyou Ustaad for that link.
Not surprisingly, you stated it so much simpler and better than me. A man who truly understands his subject can break it down to a level most anyone can understand. You are such a treasure for the Café. your freind, Alex |
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
USTAAD...YAY!
My 100th post was to you! Somehow, that's how it should be: I have learned SO much from you and Zombie and others and each of you have treated me as a friend. I am honored to be here with you at the Café. your friend, Alex |
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Ustaad Inner circle Iindia - States 6157 Posts |
Hi Alex,
Congratulations on your crossing the 100 post mark. I can foresee that you will be a great asset to the Magic Café and to our community. One never ceases to learn and we continue to learn by mutually sharing our experience and knowledge. What better place one can have than THE Café?! Thank you for the kind words. With best regards, Narendra
MAGIC is a SECRET, without the SECRET there is no MAGIC.
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke. |
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
Thank you so much Narenda.
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richi New user 17 Posts |
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On 2013-04-30 18:24, richi wrote: Please can anyone answer my question? Only if anyone know the answer of course... |
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
Hi richi,
If all of the exposed parts of SS are rubber or plastic or wood there will be no danger of short circuiting (Burning up) any SS components. If ANY of the exposed parts of SS are metal but are over-laying a plastic or rubber base and do not connect in any way with any component inside "SS". then your "SS" will still be safe. IF any metal part of any kind on the outside of "SS" extends inward into the unit then your "SS' will probably be ruined. If any part of "SS" would allow sweat from your hand or any type of moisture to get inside "SS" then the moisture path could be a path into the inside of your "SS" that an electric static shock would follow and ruin the "SS". I don't know SS 2.5 very well, well really I don't know it at all but those rules will hold true for just about any device. your friend, Alex |
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ArtIn Inner circle 1693 Posts |
Ustaad & trueinventor your comments are most appreciated!
I also can point out the following: Be careful when testing the unit for functionality! I was acting stupid when holding the device in my left hand (without touching the metal plate!) and the L piece with a magnet in my right hand... I don't have to explain what happened... This reminded me to the day I was bending a water stream with ET..and I touched the water.... big fault... This also felt like a extreme shock. be careful guys. |
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
Thankyou ArtIn,
so sorry that happened to you but thanks for warning us. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
I just spent some time testing my Electric Touch + and I’ll share my thoughts.
To be clear, I did own the original, and I really enjoyed its use. After a few years with it, I was actually planning on replacing it because despite its good performance, it seemed to be losing power, However, I heard that the Electric Touch + was in the works, so I decided to wait for its release. I am glad I did. Since I had the original I can compare the two pretty well. According to his website, the Electric Touch + is “completely silent.” I had heard people were having noise problems, but my original Electric Touch was also silent, so I suppose this wouldn’t technically count as an “improvement” in my case. It is also supposed to be “more durable and longer-lasting.” This is definitely true since the housing of the magnet has anti-corrosion coating. I didn’t do anything drastic like grinding it against metal, but we have bare floors here in Taiwan and judging from the feel and how it handled rough concrete outside, it is definitely more durable. The ad claims that it is “easier to operate” and “more reliable.” This is also correct. Before I was unable to use my Electric Touch + with sneakers very well, kind of a hit and miss, now I can utilize it with sneakers without any problems. As for reliability, opened up the ET+ to see the inside and saw that it was a LOT more insulated, so I could count on the device to deliver EVERY time. The hook-up however, is the same. I don’t understand why people are complaining about the permanent set up. I just used an old pair of sneakers, cut the sole with a pair of tin snips and glued the plate and the sole back on. Works great, took ten minutes. Don’t get me wrong, the DVD teaches you how to do everything in the trailer, but the possibilities are really endless. Ben’s Electric Touch + guide shows how versatile the Electric Touch + is. Overall, I’m really happy with my purchase. I spent the same amount of money that I did for the original Electric Touch and got something that is more reliable, and sure to last even longer than the old one. James ps Artin, I also did the same thing. On table, brought the magnet close to the "L" and POW! Huge arc.
Still with the Chinese circus
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trueinventor Loyal user Lynchburg Va 217 Posts |
Hi Xiqual,
Thankyou so much for letting us know your experiences with ET. Pretty thorough review! If it does as well for others as it has for you it seems like a great addition to someone's "Magic Library" in that it offers a different kind of magic than is normally performed. Still, have you ever had an experience that made you think it could possibly pose a danger to someone or to yourself? Does an instructional pamphlet, or other writing coming with the device, mention anything about ET being "Tested and Safe"? America can sometimes be a "sue-happy" nation and it sometimes makes you afraid to try something even if it is harmless: "YES your honor, the man threw lightning bolts at me and my beautiful Chow Chow "Puddin" ran off screaming and barking into the night and hasn't been seen since! This dreadful man should be thrashed about the ears and forced to give me his house, which I will convert into a home for run-a-way Chow Chows." On the other had, I know if I am "over-cautious" I wouldn't even step outside the door because something could ALWAYS go wrong that you never saw coming. Would you feel comfortable giving ET an "Its safe to use" rating maybe on a 1-10 scale, 10 being extremely safe? Might be unfair to ask that of you. If I were asked that I would say: "Well, in MY hands I would rate it an _____ but I don't know if I could rate it for you". In any case, thanks again for a well-done! review. |
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Xiqual Inner circle Upper left quadrant 4935 Posts |
Hi TI,
No, it is really not like that. My kids touch me on purpose to shock me [you get 50% of the shock when wearing the ET+] and they think it is funny. My daughter grabs the wall first so she is grounded [here in Taiwan our houses have steel rebar in the concrete walls] and it really ups the ante. I really think it is the sound that scares the most. It is no more painful than a static shock. I do the ID routine and ask them to touch my forehead. When it pops, I say "Wow, you are really focused, did you just shock me?" The look on their face is priceless. Almost like empowerment. Quote: On 2013-05-02 19:23, trueinventor wrote:
Still with the Chinese circus
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