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obeytheeye
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So far unless I missed something no one explained the difference between the original (which I own) and the plus other than harder shocks. Is there any other reason to get it other than more powerful shocks?
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On 2013-04-19 07:39, obeytheeye wrote:
So far unless I missed something no one explained the difference between the original (which I own) and the plus other than harder shocks. Is there any other reason to get it other than more powerful shocks?


It is more powerful, magnet is longer stronger, the housing is coated in non corrosive coating. And the device in general has technology improvements to make it more Durable and so it lasts longer.
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Personally I had to get this new one because I couldn't get hold of the first one, and from what I've heard if I owned the first one I'd be really annoyed if I had just paid the amount I have for the new one. There isn't much different, I think a lot of the main differences are within the device its self. Now although people will be slating him for this, did anyone pick up on the fact that he called it the + and not 2, much like the iPhone 4, when they brought out the 4s there wasn't enough changes to warrant calling it the 5 but enough changes where made to make an 4s.

It's an improvement on the first, not a whole new device. Which is why there only a number of differences.
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Maybe the way I put that (assuming people would pick up on that) was wrong. I was just merely pointing it out, maybe the people that owned the first expected more differences between the two of them, when actually the clues in the name, it is the original + a few improvements. I can't see a problem with the iPhone comparison I thought it was quite a good one to get the point I was making across.
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On 2013-04-19 07:57, MrSlogan89 wrote:

It's an improvement on the first, not a whole new device.


I was hoping that at least the creator would have made adequate modification to the circuit design and thus got rid of the 4 X 12Volt (type 23A) batteries. The only improvement I see is that ET+ gives you a much stronger jolt.

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On 2013-04-19 07:57, MrSlogan89 wrote:

It's an improvement on the first, not a whole new device.


I was hoping that at least the creator would have made adequate modification to the circuit design and thus got rid of the 4 X 12Volt (type 23A) batteries. The only improvement I see is that ET+ gives you a much stronger jolt.

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With the batteries thing I was kinda hoping he'd sort that issue out, I haven't tried to get hold of these things in the UK yet, this is the very first device I've ever owned to require these tinie AAA batteries lol
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It is more powerful, magnet is longer stronger, the housing is coated in non corrosive coating. And the device in general has technology improvements to make it more Durable and so it lasts longer.

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Thanks, so basically if you have the first one there is no need to get the second unless you want to shock people more painfully. Hook up is the same then.
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I currently own the first ET and the new ET is on the way. Ive never had a problem with the first ET except the setup. There is a lot of noise when you walk but still love the device. I have had the first ET for 4 years and never had any issues with it. I wanted to see if someone could help me out with the PETS hookup. I would like to set the new ET up this way. I have talked to Phillipe through email and he has provided me with the setup in a text document which is great but if I could get a couple of pictures for reference to get a visual on what each part of the PETS set up looks like would help so that I know I am setting it up correctly. If some one could help me out or point me in the right direction I would be very greatful for the help. I have proof for permission of the setup if needed.
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[quote]On 2013-04-19 09:02, MrSlogan89 wrote:
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With the batteries thing I was kinda hoping he'd sort that issue out, I haven't tried to get hold of these things in the UK yet, this is the very first device I've ever owned to require these tinie AAA batteries lol


The batteries are pretty easy to get hold of in the UK. Not in local newsagents etc, but plenty of places carry them. Chances are, you may want to pick up a batch online though as it's cheaper.

Been playing with this in the magic shop here's a 6 second Vine Vid Smile : https://vine.co/v/bUvWaMXllDu

Ben Williams has put together a free 33 page ebook with ideas and tips for Electric Touch +
You can download it free here: http://blog.magicshop.co.uk/2013/04/elec......ice.html

Hope this helps
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[quote]On 2013-04-19 10:43, Dominic Reyes wrote:
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With the batteries thing I was kinda hoping he'd sort that issue out, I haven't tried to get hold of these things in the UK yet, this is the very first device I've ever owned to require these tinie AAA batteries lol


The batteries are pretty easy to get hold of in the UK. Not in local newsagents etc, but plenty of places carry them. Chances are, you may want to pick up a batch online though as it's cheaper.

Been playing with this in the magic shop here's a 6 second Vine Vid Smile : https://vine.co/v/bUvWaMXllDu

Ben Williams has put together a free 33 page ebook with ideas and tips for Electric Touch +
You can download it free here: http://blog.magicshop.co.uk/2013/04/elec......ice.html

Hope this helps
Dominic


I I'm a regular shopper with you Merchants of Magic, but I bought it direct from Yigal and saved myself a few quid that way, was lucky though.. But it did work out alright, I read the book last night and thanked you got it too, I do recommend this book, it does top up your ideas with this device!

On subject if the batteries, do you sell them? Or is it best to go EBay for something like this?
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Glad you enjoyed the ebook, your welcome!

We don't sell the batteries, you'd be better buying them online from a normal electrical supplier, or from a local hardware store. You can get great price breaks on them that way. Go for a decent know brand though, as there are a lot of low quality batteries floating aroud ebay. It's worth investing in a decent battery in my experience.

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I had the 1st one that came out. Let me tell you easy to do the hook up. It did what it said it did and more. I did sell it because I could not get use to the shock it also gave me when I zap someone.
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How safe is it? I know you should probably not use it yourself or on other people if they have a pacemaker or epilepsy, but still... It doesn't take many mAs to cause arythmia to the heart. Does the circuit contains some protection against too high current? Maybe the batteries themselves are incapable of delivering dangerous current when the voltage is uptransformed? I've seen cheap chinese copies of the gimmick which claims they are protected and won't deliver more than 5 mA, but I wouldn't trust that...
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Its a static shock!!!!

I have yet to hear on the news anything about anyone, that has had a pacemaker fail from getting a static shock from touching a car door, or touching a door handle after sliding their shoes over the carpet.

Pacemakers and the people that wear them do not wake up every morning in total fear, that they may get a slight shock that will finish them off.
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My Dad had a pacemaker/defibrillator for over 10 years and would get carpet shocks from Mom constantly with no problems. Shoveling snow...now that can kill you.
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Its a static shock!!!!

I have yet to hear on the news anything about anyone, that has had a pacemaker fail from getting a static shock from touching a car door, or touching a door handle after sliding their shoes over the carpet.

Pacemakers and the people that wear them do not wake up every morning in total fear, that they may get a slight shock that will finish them off.

Ok, I thought it used a voltage multiplier and some kind of pulse generator to generate continous high voltage, like a taser. I guess it's pretty safe then Smile.
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Well, I think that's something that no one has spoken yet.
It is able to light large fluorescent tubes?
I would appreciate knowing something about it.
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Well, I think that's something that no one has spoken yet.
It is able to light large fluorescent tubes?
I would appreciate knowing something about it.
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That's a good question. I guess the answer is no (I think I read somewhere it's able to light small tubes). In the demo video you can see a small tube flickering (not a constant glow).

I'm also curious if it will make a low energy light bulb glow - that would be cool. But they have the HV-circuit built in, so I'm not sure it will work?
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It does show a small tube being lit on the DVD, I've not tried it but it does show it and therefore I assume it works.

He does it with them holding the bulb which is a nice.
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Hi Everybody,

I've received my ET+ today. As a owner of ET I can directly compare both now.
For the test conditions. I've used a fresh pack of duracell batteries for a good initial situation.
Floor Stone with water on it (best grounding you can get!)

I've tried the same two tests with both.
the first is moving tabacco on a table surface.
the second is touching a spoon to get a feeling for the strength of electricity. (also to compare the visibility of the spark)

For both tests I put the switch to high electricity.

I will also compare the visible workmanship of both units.

So lets start.

For my descriptions:
ET = the first Electric Touch
ET+ is certainly the new Electric Touch

When you open the package you basically get the same content as with ET.
Unit, DVD, Housing with M****t, Written Instructions on Paper and a very well made high glossy advertisment booklet for yigals products.
Yigal I can highly recommend to have the written instructions made in the same way you show your products. This is what I expect from a high quality product as well.

The unit is visually still the same, slightly longer and less wide than ET.
The mechanics (switch, LED, connector with m******c r*** s***** look still identical.
The housing looks identical. (I never had any problems with the housing of ET)

A good hint: when installing any housing have it slighty turn inwards directing to the right side (if you wear it on the left...)
It may sound cryptical but I don't want to go into the set up any further as this forum is open and searchable here.
The point is if you have it pointing directly to the backside you may slip and fall when walking on stone or metal floors.
With my suggested set-up you don't roll over from heel (housing)to toes!

The workmanship of ET+ did not blew me away but dissapointed me a bit.
The contact directly on the unit is already tarnished
(which is normal for the material) but it looks like it was never cleaned or well treated. The one of my ET still looks way better (after usage) compared to ET+!

I hoped the "L-contact" changed as other people had problems with breakage on that part in the past with ET. My unit is still in mint condiction but iam worried about it. Like mentioned in the instructions you should go for the professional set-up as fast as you can.
My shoemaker did a wonderful job with my ET housing.
I've paid 20€ back that times and it works like a charm.

If you own ET and already have its housing professionally installed, there is no need for a new installment!
Which is great as you can plug ET+ in and go out to perform.
On the other side it shouts in my face that no big improvement made here on that part. The housing of ET+ is now coated to prevent it from corrosion and make it more durable.
I never had any problems with the housing of ET and I also wear the shoes when not performing ET!

The new m***** is longer and stronger. Compared to the one of ET I think the range for activation improved not that much.
You can still use your shoes with ET installment (and its m*****).

For the tests I absolutly felt no difference between both units.
But I thought that ET works slighty better and like a charm (and as good as ET+)

ET+ supposedly should be 20% stronger but I felt no big differences here compared to ET.

For the dancing tobacco (a lovely effect!!!)
With both units the pieces jumped like frogs.
The same with ET+ so everything works as described.
But I felt that ET still works more reliable (regarding trys and re-arranging my position, standing in the water, standing on normal floor etc.) than ET+.
Both units are fully functional so no construction problems here or whatsoever on any side.

Touching the spoon. I think the ET touch was more recognizable than with ET+.
The spark is visible (great range to the object) with both units and both make a good sound.
I can tell you that ET has POWER but I did not felt any big differences here.

Hint for bending water: when you try to bend it never touch the water jet! Smile
If you do it you can really feel the power of the unit for sure.

My conclusion:

Will I keep ET+? Yes I will but as a back-up for my ET. I love the effect and the possibility to underline existing routines.
But it was not necessary to buy it as I cn see no big differences or improvements.
It does not look or feel more reliable. Neither the mechanics (visible components) nor in performance (strength, reliability).

I can give the concept of ET 10 of 10 points.
When it comes to appraise ET+ as a better and improved unit I just can give 1 of 10 points as it may dissapoint people who already own ET.
If you are pleased with ET keep using it. Compared to ET+ I see no drawbacks and also think it was a bit stronger in my tests today.

I will road test ET+ in the wild any further and will tell you about it if you like.

Sorry for my spelling and grammar as english is not my first language.

All the best and have fun with ET and ET+.

Martin
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