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Is there any way to prevent a shell and insert coin from making clinking noises when combining them?
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Over time, I - personally - have found that the best, most long-lasting solution to this is practice, and experimenting with regards to how they are put together. You hear a lot the phrase "teflon insert for silent/quiet operation"...well, teflon can dull the sound some, but it doesn't eliminate it.

Also, knowing how to create the right moment so that when the shell and insert can be combined with the least notice from the spectator is invaluable (we can't always make this work to our advantage, but there are many times when we can).
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No, nothing except practice timing and patter will REDUCE the noise.
nothing will eliminate it. It's the reason I choose to go with SOH.
gimmicks are just that, a gimmick.

I have to disagree inserts do not do anything except help the coins and gimmicks slide together easier, they really do not reduce any noise what so ever.
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Great post, Chess.

That said, I find that Teflon helps. Tango makes a serviceable Teflon circle sized to most any shell.

Also, if you want to add magnetic qualities to your shell, Lassen Commercial has the thinnest and best Teflon circle available today IMO:

http://toddlassen.com/commercial/?page_id=18
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I had the same problem with Scotch & Soda.
A member suggested to not rush and do it slowly during your patter.
It worked for me.
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Also proper placement of the coins in the hand
can help eliminate the sound considerly.
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On 2013-04-05 12:27, Octopus Sun wrote:
No, nothing except practice timing and patter will REDUCE the noise.
nothing will eliminate it. It's the reason I choose to go with SOH.
gimmicks are just that, a gimmick.

I have to disagree inserts do not do anything except help the coins and gimmicks slide together easier, they really do not reduce any noise what so ever.



I don't use inserts in my coins currently but I have before, and I have definitely noticed a difference in the sound between a shell with an insert and one without. But really the only solution to this is practice until you find a handling that works for you.
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You can also use mouse tape instead of Teflon discs, it can be obtained easily and cheap on eBay. I use it in all of my [ 's shimmed or not.
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On 2013-04-05 11:49, Caféinst wrote:
Is there any way to prevent a shell and insert coin from making clinking noises when combining them?


slightly sticky thumb for the basic palm up action or use of the first/fourth finger grip for the palm down action.
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On 2013-04-05 11:49, Caféinst wrote:
Is there any way to prevent a shell and insert coin from making clinking noises when combining them?


slightly sticky thumb for the basic palm up action or use of the first/fourth finger grip for the palm down action.


Would you recommend a product like SortKwik? I find it useful with cards. However, I only found a 2 pack at Walmart in the large size ( more than you could ever use) pretty cheap too but they make a much smaller more compact size. It's main use is to moisten ( or sticky ) your fingertips for handling money.
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I use sortkwik with my tuc.Works great...
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I use sortkwik with my tuc.Works great...


That's funny because that is exactly why I bought it. Although it is helpful with cards too.
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Wow, Sortkwik--thanks you guys think of everything.
As David Roth notes, slowing it down with the shell and coin, and using the noise of the other
regular coins (when nesting a shell and coin) help a lot.
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On 2013-04-07 21:28, vampiro wrote:
Wow, Sortkwik--thanks you guys think of everything.
As David Roth notes, slowing it down with the shell and coin, and using the noise of the other
regular coins (when nesting a shell and coin) help a lot.


Yup, we are a wealth of information and cute little tricks around here. Remember the motto " Magicians Helping Magicians"
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After a quick lookup of sortkwik, one reviewer said, it doesn't work as well as "Tacky Fingers." But tacky fingers, if it is a real procuct, just sounds awful.

Back to the solution coins and shells--practicing doing the nesting moves slowly, while also, if possible, making even a slight noise with coins in the other hand, will mask this completely. Also, if you are using many coins, putting the shell near the bottom also helps. I would highly recommend David Roth's Coins Across (maybe it is the wrong title) in the World's Greatest Magic Series on Shell Coins. It is, with metal bending, one of the very best of the series. I thought I knew how to use shells until I saw this. At 20 bucks, it is worthwhile.
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A little tape on the inside edge has worked for me so far...
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Hey, no matter what you add to a shell, it will still make strange noises if used incorrectly.
The most important thing with shells is to do the move slowly, and if possible, to use the cover of noise with other coins as well.

I might sound like a broken record, but Roth's coins across with a shell is an excellent way to learn to do the above.
What few mention is that to use a shell properly, you pretty much need a good routine as well.
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I don't use [s often but when I do, I have found that you don't really need to eliminate total sound. Any little sound is muffled through ambient sounds and even the misdirection of motion during the presentation. I have been doing Roth's [ Coins Across for many years and have never experienced this issue to the point that it disrupts the effect. In the effect, the [ is removed and re-seated several times, and the ambient sound and dynamicism of the presentation covers any little sound that might occur. So unless this is all being done poorly or perhaps if a poor gimmick is being used, it really shouldn't be that much of a problem IMHO.

The better craftsman out there make pretty perfect [s IMHO, but I happen to use a good old Johnson half dollar [, and also have a really neat soft Morgan dollar [, also by Johnson but made soft by a Café friend to match 4 other soft Morgans from him - Just beautiful work! Smile I've never used Teflon or the such. I'm sure it's helpful, as I have it on a sliding replica Morgan shell I have but don't use it much if at all, and it does feel, errrrrrrr, sound pretty quiet. Smile

All in all, I'd say that a little practice as to the overall feel, along with the ambient sound available through the use of patter and or the movement within the effect should be enough to mask most little sound, but if a little pad insert helps, then use it...whatever works for you. Onward! Smile
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Misdirection timing your moves practice practice practice.
Misdirect yourself regularly before you attempt to misdirect others!!! Smile Smile Smile
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You can also cover shell noises by screaming "Alakazam" or your favorite magic word when doing the move. It makes it more dramatic
if you bend your body into a strange position at the same time.

Just kiddin. Hey, I hope it's ok to have some fun.
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