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On 2013-05-02 18:56, Andrew Zuber wrote:
In my experience, no one is looking at the design that closely unless you specifically point it out for some reason.
A quarter is a quarter until you give them reason to suspect otherwise.


That's true and I agree, but I suppose it all depends on what you are doing and how you are doing it.
I was referring to an example where you are borrowing quarter(s) and then ringing in a shell or another gaff.

So if you are saying the quarters do not need to match in that case, then I must respectfully disagree.
They do not need to match EXACTLY in regards to date and age, etc.
But to try and use a state quarter when your shell is an eagle quarter is not giving your audience enough credit IMHO.
They look significantly different and even most non-magicians will instantly recognize that.
But if you can get away with it then more power to ya.

Years back I used to be able to borrow a quarter and then perform a cig thru quarter using a small pencil that fit perfectly, by simply switching their coin for the gaffed one.
But nowadays the likelihood of getting a quarter that does not match my gaff is too high so I have stopped borrowing the coin. Which really diminishes the impact of the trick.

But if you are saying I can still use their coin even if it does not match my gaff as long as I don't point out the difference, then I'd like to see you try that 5 times and see how successful you are.
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I worked at magic masters and did bill thru quarter about 15 times per day. We had a Johnson gaff and borrowed the quarter. Sometimes I got state quarters and other times Eagles and was never caught. In my experience if you are a couple feet away they can't tell because the details are too small plus there is shock value.
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I need to add that the type of scenario I described above only works in a professional setting. What I mean by that is that if you borrow a coin from your good friend at work, whom you talk to every day and have lunch with and buy gifts for, then it ain't gonna work. If you are in a professional setting where you are borrowing the coin from a spectator, the rules change.

I have commented on this before but I will restate it a bit here. The rules are totally different for a professional magician and the amateur. Unfortunately I believe that this comes partly from respect for your abilities as a magi. Your close friends and family feel like they know you are tricking them and search out your methods. Interestingly, I have found that this attitude has changed as I have transitioned from hobbyist to money making pro.

It also has a little bit to do with the difference between performing a trick and performing a show.
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Interesting thread. Fwiw I agree with those who believe any coin can be used for magic, whether it is an 'ordinary' 25c piece, or a silver clad medallion. If the audience responds negatively to the use of weird looking coins, why not just let them handle the coins as Funway does? Makes sense to me... Besides, there are many great looking coins out there that just beg to be used to enhance specific routines, for ex. a copper clad Morgan copy, or a pair of silver/gold chinese coinc...that sort of thing.

Daz made a good point, in that not everyone lives/works in the Excited States (no insult intended!). American halves are not common anywhere else..

just my 2 2nies worth
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On 2013-05-26 20:49, CarpetShark wrote:

American halves are not common anywhere else..

just my 2 2nies worth


They are not common in the US either. They might as well be a foreign coin because they are foreign to most folks in the USA, especially young ones. Most kids under 20 have never seen one. Although I should add that most folks here are at least aware of their existence. But you could go decades without getting one back in change.
I was in Paris recently talking to the young guy behind the counter at a local magic shop. I was telling him that the about the only folks in the US that have half dollars are magicians. He was very surprised to hear that. I think many magicians outside the US believe that half dollar coins are common here.
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On 2013-05-19 17:36, Gr8gorilla wrote:
I need to add that the type of scenario I described above only works in a professional setting. What I mean by that is that if you borrow a coin from your good friend at work, whom you talk to every day and have lunch with and buy gifts for, then it ain't gonna work. If you are in a professional setting where you are borrowing the coin from a spectator, the rules change.

I have commented on this before but I will restate it a bit here. The rules are totally different for a professional magician and the amateur. Unfortunately I believe that this comes partly from respect for your abilities as a magi. Your close friends and family feel like they know you are tricking them and search out your methods. Interestingly, I have found that this attitude has changed as I have transitioned from hobbyist to money making pro.

It also has a little bit to do with the difference between performing a trick and performing a show.


Right, and in a professional setting I agree with you, not to mention that a magic shop setting is a different scenario altogether and should really be in it's own category IMO.
I was referring to an amateur or more of an impromptu scenario. But this has made me reconsider this and maybe in the case of a quarter it's not such a big deal. I have gotten a lot bolder with my magic as I've gotten older. So maybe I'll start borrowing quarters again and see how it goes.
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I think people know what a coin is so they don't really suspect anything when we have half dollars. They probably know someone who collects coins or at least have heard of that sort of thing. A coin is a coin to them; your half dollar could easily be their quarter.
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On borrowing a quarter or small coin. Rather than taking "their offered coin" that might have some identity such as a State, have a spectator hold out handful of change with no indication of what you need. Then "pick up" a quarter -- actually your own palmed one. It can be your gaff or switched for one -- and the coin you return to them later does not have to be the same one.

When you say, "please lend me quarter" you are asking them to inspect it to some decree. When you poke about in a pile and extract a coin it is still apparently "borrowed" but never identified.

Maybe it's time to write an eBook on effect using Quarters or other small coins.
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Funsway, that is a very good idea. I like it.
Thanks, Bill
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