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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2021, Tim Snyder wrote: I think this is always been this way. It is amplified by the internet is all.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Tim Snyder Regular user Chicago, IL 112 Posts |
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On Dec 8, 2021, Dannydoyle wrote: Yes. That is how I try and calm myself. Trying to understand that the only thing that truly has changed is that everything is now public. There are no private conversations. I remember in high school reading the book "culture shock" and not really understanding it. After 50 plus years, I understand culture shock. There are a lot of books teachers have kids read that will not make sense until they are older -- Catch 22 / Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy |
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Tim Snyder Regular user Chicago, IL 112 Posts |
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On Dec 7, 2021, Steven Keyl wrote: I doubted that Tommy was mistaken, so I just googled it. Wikipedia will have multiple pages depending on the particle definition of a topic you're exploring. Wikipedia has a page detailing "conspiracy theory" as a legal term. So yes, per wikipedia Conspiracy Theory is a legal term. The link is below. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory_(legal_term) |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
As above so below.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
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On Dec 8, 2021, Tim Snyder wrote: Excellent information, thank you! Yes, it is a niche legal term, but that isn't what anyone means when they use the phrase in modern parlance. In fact, it is so esoteric that the legal definition does not exist on these sites: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictiona......20theory https://www.dictionary.com/browse/conspiracy-theory Quite an oversight, no? Appealing to the legal definition, which is only employed in legal documents and court opinions, isn't a pathway to creating a meaningful conversation.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
Notwithstanding that Wikipedia entry, no lawyer, law professor, or judge uses the term "conspiracy theory" to describe a charge of criminal conspiracy or the prosecution's theory of a criminal conspiracy case. Conspiracy Theory and Conspiracy Theorist are vernacular to describe delusional people (aka kooks) that see outlandish nefarious conspiracies among unidentified entities ("they") of necessarily superhuman intelligence and abilities, including mind control over vast numbers of other necessary actors, as the "real" explanation for troubling events, landmark achievements, and benign occurrences--based solely on imagined MOTIVES of bad actors, without any credible evidence to support the theory. Indeed, the absence of evidence proves the success of the imagined conspiracy. Conspiracy theorists are heavy on conjectured motive but woefully short on evidence to establish the elements of an actual conspiracy to do harm, such as opportunity, intent, and actions in furtherance of the conspiracy.
We need only search the archives of this chat room for a litany of conspiracy theories touted by our resident conspiracy theorists at one time or another, none of which--ZERO--were ever validated by even a peppercorn of credible evidence. Naturally, says the conspiracy theorist. "They" have covered it all up, and the dozens if not thousands of actors with knowledge or documentary evidence of the fanciful and fantastical nefarious conspiracy have been bought, intimidated, or murdered into silence. Psychologists and psychiatrists have long been fascinated by the disordered thinking that typifies and defines conspiracy theorists, and the root causes of it. Prevailing clinical thought is that the conspiracy credulous feel out of control of their lives, put upon by society, disappointed in their lot in life, resentful of and diminished by the achievements of others, socially misfit, pathologically distrustful of authority and government, and suffering from a polar opposite coupling of low self esteem and grandiosity. Seeing patterns and conspiracies where none exist gives conspiracy theorists a sense of order and control and a feeling of being special--especially if the "they" at the heart of the imagined conspiracy are somehow affiliated with government. There is no known effective treatment for conspiracy theorists and there is no talking them down or appealing to reason, evidence, or rational thought. Danny's suggested "uh huh" is likely the least painful and least time-consuming response to the blather of the conspiracy theorist that accosts you with their nonsense. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
"Notwithstanding that Wikipedia entry, no lawyer, law professor, or judge uses the term "conspiracy theory" to describe a charge of criminal conspiracy or the prosecution's theory of a criminal conspiracy case."
- E.S. Andrews The phrase ‘conspiracy theory’ has been used in this sense in court cases since at least 1900. https://law.justia.com/cases/oklahoma/su......029.html https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/app......4/86235/ Etcetera, etcetera.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
That is your takeaway from my post about disordered individuals known in popular parlance as "Conspiracy Theorists" who peddle what are known in popular parlance as "Conspiracy Theories?" That's your gotcha? That 122 years ago an obscure and evidently inept Oklahoma defense lawyer, in appealing (and losing) his client's conviction for murder and conspiracy to commit murder, happened to couple the word "conspiracy" with the word "theory" in his argument to reverse the conviction because, he claimed, the prosecutor had failed to prove a prima facie case of conspiracy to commit murder and the judge had failed to expressly mention the word "conspiracy" in his instructions to the jury? (The appeal was denied, by the way.) And that 30 years ago, in another unsuccessful appeal, a federal appellate court used the shorthand phrase "a tenet of traditional conspiracy theory" to explain why evidence of a defendant's acts in furtherance of an alleged criminal conspiracy is also admissible against his co-conpirator defendants if the acts occurred during the existence of the conspiracy?
I suppose you get a gold star for finding 2 instances of the words "conspiracy theory" appearing in old court decisions addressing actual, legally charged, factually supported, criminal conspiracies that resulted in convictions based on admissible, credible, court-tested EVIDENCE, but I don't see where that gets you anywhere in this discussion. If anything, it serves to starkly contrast evidence-based, litigation tested, actual criminal conspiracies with the pathetic rantings of tinfoil-hatted nut jobs who desperately need to believe that they are ever the victims of nefarious, yet curiously and invariably EVIDENCE-FREE conspiracies that only they and their fellow paranoids can see and swallow. It might be easy to shake one's head and laugh off conspiracy theories and their advocates as sideshow attractions, but as this past couple of years has made all too poignant, the chuckles cease with the massive death toll of internet enabled conspiracy theory misinformation—a tiny, heartbreaking sampling of which can be perused on sites like sorryantivaxxer.com. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
What is the difference between conspiracy and collusion?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Do you want three clues?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
@tommy, is this a thing people are talking about?? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre......tructure
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Word one Summer John was 'Collusion.' "Black's Law Dictionary defines collusion as "a deceitful agreement or compact between two or more persons, for the one party to bring an action against the other for some evil purpose, as to defraud a third party..." A conspiracy, on the other hand, is defined as "a combination or confederacy between two or more persons formed for the purposes of committing, by their joint efforts, some unlawful or criminal act, or some act which is innocent in itself, but becomes unlawful when done by the concerted action of the conspirators." Got it? You can have collusion without having a criminal conspiracy, but you can't have a criminal conspiracy without some sort of collusion." https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/ne......spiracy/
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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mndude Special user 879 Posts |
CNN had attacked anyone who suggested there were sex traffickers in high places. They called them "dangerous conspiracy theorists."
Just this month some CNN producers were arrested for child sex trafficking or soliciting sex to a child. " This is who people get their facts from. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?co......%3B%2Cc0
The usage of the phrase seems to have rocketed since Wernher von Braun and the boys got together.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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mndude Special user 879 Posts |
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On Dec 13, 2021, E.S. Andrews wrote: so you just regurgitate establishment articles? You are very intellectually lazy |
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E.S. Andrews New user 63 Posts |
Uh huh
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Those unaware of confirmation bias are the most likely to be held tightly in its grip.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2021, Steven Keyl wrote: Speaking of behavioral biases: Quote:
On Dec 26, 2021, mndude wrote: Sounds like sample-size neglect, a type of representativeness bias. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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On Dec 28, 2021, Steven Keyl wrote: Sounds like something Jack the Ripper would graffiti on the wall.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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