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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi tommy,
The fact that someone decided to award damages to someone, does not necessarily prove anything. Hi Lobo, The Sabin (oral) polio vaccine is a live, attenuated virus. That is, it is a polio virus that has been bred to become so weak that it does not cause significant disease. But 1 in a million doses reverts to the "wild type," and a small number of those viruses may cause severe disease, as happened in the case you describe. One way of avoiding that problem altogether, was to administer inactivated polio virus vaccine by injection at least once, before giving the oral polio vaccine. Since 2000, the CDC has recommended giving two doses of the injectable, inactivated virus vaccine alone, and no oral polio vaccines are now generally used in the United States. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
If the Italian Health Ministry conceded the MMR vaccine caused autism and paid out thousands in damages goes not prove anything then what does?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-05-24 15:36, Woland wrote: He caught his way, way back in the day. I met him in the mid-80s, and he'd had it since he was a kid. That oral one sure tasted good, though. Mmmmmm cherry.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-05-24 15:38, tommy wrote: Do innocent people plea bargain?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi tommy,
Scientific questions are generally decided by scientific evidence, not by a quasi-judicial proceeding. Since the overwhelming scientific evidence is that "autism" is not associated with the MMR, the fact that a particular panel of Italian officials decided to award a payment to a particular patient doesn't prove a thing. This kind of judgment occurs frequently. The manufacturer of silicone breast implants was bankrupted by claims that the devices caused various diseases, and they were taken almost entirely off the market. Those cases were however wrongly decided, the overwhelming scientific evidence is that the devices didn't cause the problems for which enormous judgments were paid, and they are back on the market today. And there are other examples. Hi Lobo, Your friend's case is extemely sad. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Italian Health Ministry conceded the MMR vaccine caused autism. That is not not a mere quasi-judicial proceeding. They were faced by scientific evdence the could not refute when it came to independent review in the courts. They open the door for themselves to be sued again and again and do not take that step lightly. In a court case, you call your experts and the other side calls theirs and its decided who is right. In this case, your side lost. Moreover lost because The Italian Health Ministry conceded and not because some crazy jury got it wrong.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
OK, tommy, what was the evidence that convinced the Italian Health Ministry, anyway? Did they specify it?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Victims of the anti-vaccine hysterics are now speaking out, too:
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ON March 9, 2009, four-week-old Dana McCaffery's heart stopped after whooping cough left her tiny lungs unable to breathe. Her mother Toni could not watch as medical staff unhooked her daughter from the hopelessly inadequate life support system, but her husband Dave did, and crumpled with grief. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
From the news of late (i.e. measles outbreaks all over), this thread seems topical again. (Apologies if someone started a more recent thread about the anti-vacciner movement ... if there is one, I guess I missed it.)
OP, have you read this? http://www.salon.com/2015/02/06/this_ant......ampaign/ Apparently the reviews on Amazon are something.
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ed rhodes Inner circle Rhode Island 2885 Posts |
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On May 24, 2013, tommy wrote: Yes! Let's go back to not getting children vaccinated. Then we'll see autism vanish, along with about 2.6 million people (most of them children) every year! That seems like a fair trade; http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs286/en/
"...and if you're too afraid of goin' astray, you won't go anywhere." - Granny Weatherwax
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Natural Mystic Special user Atlanta, GA 509 Posts |
Some anti-vaxxers have moral concerns with some vaccines because they were developed from aborted fetal tissue cell lines such as WI-38 and MRC-5.
http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-product......sue.html
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fighting it. Instead, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete." -- R. Buckminster Fuller |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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Also, people with undiscovered allergies can rarely be injured by vaccines. There's also a risk of contracting Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving a flu vaccine- but it's 1-2 in 100,000. I'll take my chances; I'd rather not get any number of nasty, preventable diseases by being vaccinated. You can take your chances--no problem with that. But others should be allowed to take their chances as well; their mileage may differ substantially.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Fox News guest Jonathan Hoenig said today he absolutely supports vaccinations, but thinks the idea of mandating vaccines is a slippery slope to the government forcing all sorts of medical procedures upon people.
Hoenig is not alone in his concern about mandating vaccines; Rand Paul said this week most vaccines should be voluntary and not government-mandated, while Chris Christie said parents should have “some measure of choice” when it comes to vaccinations. Hoenig, however, took the argument one step further when he warned about what it could lead to: “Think about where this could lead if government gets involved in science and medicine. You know, forced sterilizations, forced abortion, forced pills, forced treatments.” However, Hoenig is fine with people who don’t get vaccinated, and end up being infectious, being “forcibly quarantined” by the government. Watch the video below, via Fox News http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-guest-man......s-pills/
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Whatever happened to Woland?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
He was vaccinated.
Where is our friend JT by the way?
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On Feb 8, 2015, magicfish wrote: Exactly what I was thinking. Re-reading this thread made me realize how much I missed him. |
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w_s_anderson Inner circle The United States 1226 Posts |
He probably got tired of the ignorant and uneducated ramblings of the AVM.
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