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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 14:44, Zombie Magic wrote: Logical fallacy: the fact that cannot be done with cars (which is a big stretch in a way), doesn't imply it cannot be done with something else. This car is easy to compare with others in the same categories: it costs more or less the same, it's weird looking, it burns more gas and it's less reliable than others. Yeah, I guess there must have been a few happy customers that bought a Chevy Vega or Ford Pinto (in Italy it was the Fiat Duna), but I haven't seen a real Vega or Pinto out there ever, only in pictures. Plus you are now suggesting that "it's just a matter of taste". Totally fine with that. Something must have changed, this is clearly "not the streamlined car of the century" anymore. Just a car you might like. Quote:
It's a $20 trick. There are DVD's and other tricks that no one can agree on that don't get this much attention. So, it's fun to poke at the non performers and hobbyists by posting reviews from actual performers. One of the most enthusiast performers hasn't tried the other tricks yet: that usually tends to make a review less objective, when you don't have anything to compare against. I guess if a Pinto was your first car and you had never seen any other car before, you would get the same excitement: a car is still an upgrade from a bicycle. Quote:
Any release only has a certain shelf life to chat about. So, the comments demanding "why is this better" actually keep this up front. Post away! And keeping this up front, along with the overwhelming negative feedback, is good because.... (complete ad lib.) Quote:
"Steve Shufton's 'Inexplicable' will deeply bother people. Its combination of principles results in a method that is straightforward, streamlined, and, above all – practical." -David Regal yes, in the past hour I totally forgot what Regal thought about this trick. Thanks for reminding us. You should demand compensation! :applause:
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 15:35, paperinick wrote: It's not just David. The word is spreading world wide! "INEXPLICABLE is one of the few magic effects that really matches the description in the advertisements. I like it a lot and I think you will like it too. I can do it and you can do it. I use it and you will use it. It's really amazing magic. And that's no hype." -Steve Dusheck "Inexplicable is an ingenious method. The hands off approach and open prediction seems impossible. I'm going to have to get a couple just to have backups. If you keep the prediction in your wallet, you can borrow a deck and pull out your prediction made before you arrived at a party for an impossible impromptu effect." -Kenton Knepper "A prediction is placed on the table - the spectator stops on any card - the prediction proves to be 100% correct. Steve Shufton provides one of the most elegant sleight-free solutions to this plot in recent times. The deck is regular and the prediction method is ingenious, resulting in an effect that is, indeed, 'Inexplicable'." -Peter Duffie "Steve Shufton is known for his lateral thinking and clever application of a variety of principles from magic and mentalism. Inexplicable is just that! An incredible open prediction that is fair, straightforward, and seriously baffling! This is a real worker that will go straight into the repertoire of the serious professional." -Dr. Todd Landman, PhD, AIMC, FRSA "Inexplicable is exactly that....In fact I would have called it TOTALLY Inexplicable. Steve has come up with a radical new approach to this effect and as a result has created one of the best methods I have ever seen to achieve it." -Marc Paul "Beyond the Inexplicable effect and Inexplicable's method, which is very well explained, there is a third Inexplicable component. The price! How can Shufton possibly sell this jaw dropper for only ? Perhaps it is because magicians so often pay more for convoluted gimmicks that will most likely end up in that dreaded box destined for the magic flea market than for a very well thought out, cunning release. Don't let the very reasonable price fool you. Properly done, exactly as Steve teaches it, you will have a very powerful card effect that really will come across as ... Inexplicable!" -Richard Busch |
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magicbyswh Inner circle North East Tennessee 1548 Posts |
I think Regal left that quote open. Many read into this in that it would bother them in a good way or he could have meant it will bother people that they spent money on an effect they did not like so they like wasted 20 bucks. That quote can go both ways. So he was right one way or the other.
Creator of Cereal Brainwave, Creator of the Tossed out Book
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Let's keep going guys and we'll make it to 30 pages!
I'll kind of miss the "Inexplicable" crew when this thread is finally locked. You've kind of become like family. A hugely dysfunctional family, but family none the less... |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 16:00, Zombie Magic wrote: You should add your own endorsement. I can write one for you: "The best endorsed TRICK ever. No other tricks come even close. Inexplicable". Zombie Magic :)
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 16:00, Martin Pulman wrote: Sometimes a debatable opinion is good in pinpointing somebody's personal tastes. If they don't match yours you can keep it in mind next time a "inexplicable" is pulled out again from the hat.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 16:00, magicbyswh wrote: In mentalism is called Dual Reality, right?
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-06-17 19:18, tomcards wrote: Hmmmm. Who believe? Tom Frame and David Regal or....Magic Café noobs? "With empty hands, Mr. Shufton removed the rubber band from the envelope. He removed the lid from the envelope and there was one face-up card sticking out of the envelope. It was the Four of Clubs! Mr. Shufton removed the card and showed me that the envelope was empty. He put the card back into the envelope, put the lid on, wrapped the rubber band around it and put it away. I made a hefty deposit in my diaper and sobbed inconsolably until he taught me how it was done." ...Tom Frame REVIEW: Inexplicable http://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=42472 |
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TheGreatRaymondo Special user Manchester, England 969 Posts |
Zombie: are you on the payroll regarding this effect? You sure act like it .
We are inclined to believe those whom we do not know because they have not yet deceived us...
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 16:43, TheGreatRaymondo wrote: Kind of a stupid question, yes? If someone was on the payroll, do you think your high powered cross examination of asking would have them admit it? Maybe you should become a Prosecutor. I've sent my bill of sale to those that asked. Personally, I don't care who likes or dislikes any piece of magic. But when I use something and now what it does and then read non-perofrmers post over and over and over again with their "reviews" of something they have never performed, I make it a point to counter balance them. Just for the fun of it. Most people that like something stop posting because of the Café noobs. It's like Detroit...the good people simply move away than stay and make a difference. ZOMBIE MAGIC dons his cape and swoops in to clean up the trash! ————————————————————————————————————————————————————— "The cleverly designed envelope is well constructed of sturdy cardboard. Unless you handle it roughly, it will last a long time. The deck is normal and contains no duplicates. By merely placing the dealt cards face-down on top of the deck, the effect is re-set. .T...om Frame REVIEW: Inexplicable http://forums.geniimagazine.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=42472 |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 16:32, Zombie Magic wrote: Kinda of a silly question. First from a logical perspective: If the trick is a 'matter of taste' like you are now telling us then Tom Frame's opinion is just another data point. Nonetheless a bunch of unhappy people bought it also _BECAUSE_ of Frame's review and Regal's endorsement when at the time this was the only criteria for a bet. Plus a magician, whoever he is, that pees his pants over this trick might have a credibility problem. Then from an audience perspective: Who are you asking the question to? People who read this forum? I would bet we are 99% "noobs". You, for your own admission, are one of us, a noob. So I would say that a noob opinion would be more informing to me than a "pro". If you add that not all the pros agree on the qualities of this trick, the astute reader can quickly realize that your argument is broken to so many levels to be completely.... inexplicable! (*)I like now you wisely qualify all "non-pros" as noobs; very fine argument technique here at play, sir! This thread is a sampler of the most exquisite argumentation techniques that I ever seen put together.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
Paperinick I perform this each week. Have you EVER performed it? Do you even own it?
I think we both know the answers, eh? Peter Duffie on INEXPLICABLE: "A prediction is placed on the table - the spectator stops on any card - the prediction proves to be 100% correct. Steve Shufton provides one of the most elegant sleight-free solutions to this plot in recent times. The deck is regular and the prediction method is ingenious, resulting in an effect that is, indeed, 'Inexplicable'." -Peter Duffie |
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rasmus Inner circle Switzerland 1696 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 17:04, paperinick wrote: It's all about like or dislike IMO. What do you pretend for 20 Bucks? A Wonder, a Miracle? Honestly:) It's not to believe, how long this Discussion has to go on. I'm pretty sure, that, with proper Spectator Management, this could Play very well and I know exactly what I say, because I have it. If People feel irritated about the Fact, that the Prediction can't be freely handled or examined, well, there is a Solution for all you Guys here. I will talk to Steve and I'm pretty sure, he will give you my Solution completely for Free if you like:))) Finally, with my Method including the Envelope of Steve, you end completely Clean without any Evidence.
A World without Magic is a World without Dreams and Hope:)
Creator of: STEEL (performed by Dynamo), X-RAY, Real Coin Bend (performed by Dynamo), Totally Crazy Bands, Rasmus Haunted Deck, MCF CARDS, Jawbreaker, CRAZY CARD CHANGE, POLTERGEIST, STEEL Stage Version, X-RAY Stage Version http://rasmusmagic.ch |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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Paperinick I perform this each week. Good for you! I guess we were hoping that because of this you could give us a better insight. I am still genuinely convinced I am missing something. But on the other hand you keep posting the same endorsements over and over. The same ones that pushed me to buy it, but it didn't help me to keep it (see below). Quote:
Have you EVER performed it? Nope. I didn't like it. I've never test driven a pink Beetle either. So? Quote:
Do you even own it? I owned it, but not anymore. Quote:
I think we both know the answers, eh? Really? I know the answers to those question, that's the easy part. But you give me the impression of somebody who makes quick assumptions about others. I would shy away from confusing what you know with what you THINK you know.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 17:19, rasmus wrote: Nope, I was not expecting a miracle (me personally). Something better than this, sure. Heck, Tom Frame even peed in his pants... Is it a decent trick? Yes/Maybe/No (I vote for yes). Does it live to its hype (the BEST open prediction effect that made TF pee in his pants)? Definitively not. Those who say "yes" are unable to come up with sound reasons to justify their answer. But then arguing is a fun learning experience here! Don't you agree?
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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Zuke Veteran user 353 Posts |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 17:33, Zuke wrote: Looks like a working of Ray Piatt's envelope ( gimmicked ). Inexplicable is 1 un-gimmicked envelope. It makes for a stunning revelation. |
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
On 2013-07-24 17:41, Zombie Magic wrote:
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Yeah yeah, but you still haven't said why!!!!!!!! OK I get that some props 'add a layer of texture/ depth/ intrigue' - whatever, I'ts certainly the case with such items by the 'Lebanon Circle' A.K.A Dan Bains and similar 'creepy' props. Honestly, from a specs point of view a dodgy looking little black envelope would add very little to the theatrics of it all in my mind (as I say from a specs point of view, which is all I am as I don't own the said trick) I have had the same EFFECT performed on me by someone, shall we say well known in the industry- without the use of a dodgy envelope or gimmicked* deck and at a moments notice with a borrowed deck, it floored me as it was repeated several times to perfection, so why the need for the envelope? * I mean that in the broadest sense. |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 19:35, catweazle wrote: If I said "The Invisible Deck makes a stunning revelation" I don't feel I have to say why. What does it matter, since 99% of noobs that buy it will never use it because someone might want to examine the deck. |
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catweazle Special user 924 Posts |
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On 2013-07-24 19:44, Zombie Magic wrote: Sorry, I totally disagree with that statement, the I.V.Deck is def a 'noob' trick, I know, I did it as one very successfully - it's piece of p**s as they say in some parts of the U.K. :0 |
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