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cafeinst
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The handkerchief vanish and appearance via the TT is perhaps the most amazing effect in magic. But in my experience, many laymen know the secret.

I'm wondering whether this effect is too overexposed to perform. What do you think?
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Hi Caféinst!

Depends on who you do it for. The Masked Moron exposed the Dye Tube, and it's currently on YouTube along with the rest of his exposures. Yeah. That hurt me. Bad. I was embarrassed to the point of almost tears, when my "friends" turned on the 60-inch and played YouTube on the 'net. There it was, for all to see. I still hear the laughter... Smile

That said, I've done Silk Vanish with my TT, and really...it's not that well known.

Doug
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Just perform it for kids and people a lot younger then yourself.

I recently experienced the same thing. I showed a man in his thirties and a man in his seventies. They were sitting talking. The man in his thirties at once knew of the trick, and the older man never has seen it, and totally fooled him.

Ya just never know, if you do show it, just make as entertaining and mysterious as you can, and if something is said, don't let your face reveal they were correct in their solution, that will just spoil it for the other not in the know.
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I've been performing it at every show I do and not *once* has anyone caught on, known it, or called me out.
In fact, it's the one effect I can rely on to draw gasps EVERY time.

There's nothing like a bare hand vanish to make them scratch their heads.

No, I don't think it's overexposed. I think we as magicians have an irrational fear of YouTube exposure; the fact of the matter is that 90% of people aren't browsing YouTube looking for magic effect spoilers. Only those interested to begin with, or after the effect will go searching. Which is why I never, ever, call an effect by name or its proper name.

My silk from silk, for example; I refer to as my 'handkerchief of holding'... and patter about the hidden spaces between the threads. I love watching people look at the silk threads, hold it up to the light looking for pockets, ect... put the heat on the silk, not the hands.

I've also found that switching hands and doing the vanish in both throws the know it alls off. Very easy to move the tip from hand to hand while stroking the silk; I use a variation of Ammar's finger palm for the TT. Actually, the only time the TT is on my thumb is at the very beginning of the routine and again at the end. The rest of the time its constantly in play.

Use the effect, and don't worry about exposure.
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As with any other trick, when done correctly those around will enjoy the presentation even if they know or think that they know how it is done. I'm amazed at the number of people that tells me thay know how I did something and when they try to explain it to me they have now idea of how it is actually performed. I just smile and leave them hanging. Go ahead and perform the trick with the TT and perform it well all will enjoy it. I still use it all the time.
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If you've ever seen Ursula Martinez perform, this would not be a question. Intelligent and entertaining theatrical framing saves the day every time.
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Are we talking about using the TT and the very small silk that goes totally in the TT, or vanishing a large silk and using the TT with a corner decoy while you go south with the real silk? I suggest the latter version is less known.
I've recently become very interested in a Fujiwara 1 & 2 gimmick. Anyone tried those out? Would seem to fool the TT know it all.
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I think we have to remember that even though the TT has been exposed on tv, internet and even in kids' magic sets, there are still more men, women and children that are not familar with it or don't remember to make the connection when they see it used. They are the majority of your audience. Those of us that use a TT are running across the exposures on the internet a lot more than non-magicians, because it is part of the interests that we search for, watch and read. In our minds it is an overexposed gimmick, but in the minds of most of the people that watch us use it, they are amazed on a regular basis.
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Another thing to consider: Is the action of ramming something into the fist and finishing by sticking the thumb into the fist, followed by a vanish familiar to the generation that has grown up with magic kits and Youtube? Yes...BUT...that is the sequence and LACK of subtlety that magic kit "enthusiasts" are accustomed to. A properly constructed and executed effect using a TT, employing some subtlety and masking the process properly will still leave these "in the know" folks dumbfounded.
I have gone so far as to steal the TT from my fist with my second finger like a Dye Tube, continuing poking with the index finger and then moving it to the thumb as I concentrate on the other hand where the vanish is about to happen - only then flashing my hand toward the audience as I ask them to watch closely.
Almost ANY over exposed trick can be maintained as a fooler when we take a little time to "disassemble" the mechanics and "reassemble" the basics in a slightly different sequence, or cloak it in the process of doing something else. In this instance, a fairly clever version I've seen involved borrowing a dollar bill, rolling it into a cone, producing and/or vanishing a small silk streamer in the "cone" rather than your fist. The act of rolling the cone and consequently unrolling and showing the dollar bill empty is just as easy or easier than the fist, but different enough to be deceptive to the magic kit crowd. Thoughts?
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If you're worried, use a fingertip instead of a thumb tip. It fools those in the know.
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I don't think it will ever be too overexposed to perform. It is a beautifully pure effect. The purest tricks in magic are to make something appear or make something disappear. Doing this with something as unwieldy as a handkerchief is even more impressive and fascinating than doing it with a small object that everyone knows can be hidden in your hand. Alexander De Cova has some very nice thoughts on the use of the TT. Consider his thoughts in your choreography and you will fool magicians... nobody is more overexposed to this method than us!

Bottom line... the trick is amazing and will never be too overexposed to use. Just practice it and don't perform it like an amateur would.
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Master Payne has a good point. I've substituted the TT for a finger tip long ago. And scaled down to 9inch silks, to fit in easier. I've even seen a magician that also uses a finger tip showing his thumb to the audience saying,"No I don't put it into a plastic thumb!" That might be an idea if you are afraid that the people may know the TT.
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Using the kick out method I believe counters any objections from those who know about a TT. The thumb never needs to enter the top of the fist.

I do believe this vanish is extremely powerful. I once did a show for a church youth group. The back row of teens were the tough types, too cool for magic. As I recall, I opened with a simple routine with a hank and TT. Halfway through the routine, the back row of teens stood and moved to the second or third row. That response said more than applause for that routine.

I also love using the hank ball (the Laflin methods) because the manipulation is so smooth and I can use an 18" hank.
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The Flicking Fingers: The Movie has a great version using an FT instead of a TT. The DVD is one of the most entertaining magic dvds I have ever seen. It's worth it just for that.
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If the secret to magic were that nobody knew how it was done, card magic and most mental magic would no longer be considered magic. Entertainment is the secret to success in magic. The mechanics of the trick are just keys on the piano. It is about how you make the audience feel. Audiences do differ but originality is very overrated and usually by the performer.

Lucy and I just laugh about being rehired for a convention center stage show last November. A stipulation by the talent buyer was that the show would be exactly the same one we did for them April 15, 2005! Being original would be the fast tract to being unemployed. Audiences have expectations. It's not a puzzle and they are not stupid. Don't fool yourself!

After only 52 years as a performing magician, I use thumb tips all the time. We also still get paid in dollars. Something is working!

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A spectator is perhaps more likely to know of the silk vanish if they grew up during the Penn and Teller show era. I'm a student and no one has a clue. The one time someone mentioned a TT was when I was accused of using it to vanish a coin, which must have been made of rubber - that was when I used Down's Palm!
Yesterday, I performed for a some tailors in a shop. I did the silk vanish on one of them, who asked me to show the other. He said that he had a magic set as a kid, so I immediately mentioned that he may know how this is done... he had no idea!
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It depends on how you handle the whole thing. If you shove your thumb in last and then show your hand empty it can be rather telling, so keep poking with the other fingers for a beat or two after you have stolen the TT. Or use the kick out if you really worry.
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I do it all the time. I don't shove my thumb in at all though. My thumb never goes in the fist. I pivot the TT out the back first and steal it while I'm pushing the index finger in. I remember watching Night at the Museum with some friends and when it was exposed they all laughed. After the movie, while eating dinner, I explained that real magicians don't do something silly like that, let me show you. Then I did exactly what I said I didn't do, and floored them. It's all in presentation, in my opinion. Sure, some will know no matter what, but I think those people are somewhat more rare than you'd think. I doubt most people remember that from the movie, and from anywhere else as well.
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Yes technique is everything with this effect.
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I'm beginning to think that the proper way to do this trick is to color the TT green and never show it to the audience. Sort of like regular sleight of hand, pretending to put a coin in one hand while really keeping it in the other hand. There is really no reason to show the TT to the audience, expecting them to overlook it. What is the gain in doing so?
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