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On 2013-07-17 13:51, Caféinst wrote:
I'm beginning to think that the proper way to do this trick is to color the TT green and never show it to the audience. Sort of like regular sleight of hand, pretending to put a coin in one hand while really keeping it in the other hand. There is really no reason to show the TT to the audience, expecting them to overlook it. What is the gain in doing so?


I would say it is much more powerful in showing the hand completely empty. A coin vanish on its own isn't that powerful - they know it is in the other hand. So you beat them to it with a quick coin reveal if it's part of a one coin routine. Or you use it as a move in a more powerful routine.

If a matching silk appeared in a previously empty item held in their hand, then there would be no reason to show the hands empty (this has just given me an idea for a trick - thanks for starting this!).

However, if you're simply vanishing a handkerchief, then you need to show both hands empty otherwise they will just think it is in the other hand. When my TT became really dirty, I tried performing the vanish without flashing the hand empty and it was nowhere near as effective. I used a bill as a "wand" for a while and that was a little better, but still not as great. These methods work really well for salt or liquid as that is clearly impossible to keep hidden in the hand, but a hanky is not.

^Just my opinion of course, and many more experienced magicians say how it doesn't matter what colour the tt is. I agree for most effects, but I think for this one it really does.
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I've been doing coin vanishes for 33 years and it's very effective.
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The vanish via a TT as a stand-alone effect is a weak trick. It needs to be part of a routine where the handkerchief is vanished and reproduced from some unusual place. I don't mean necessarily to reproduce the vanished silk from the TT itself. Reproduce it via a duplicate hank. I like to "reproduce it" from inside a peanut brittle snake can with some comedy byplay teasing the audience in a kidshow that knows there are snakes in the can because most of them know the snake can. I've also reproduced a silk from inside the MAK Magic "Milk in Light Bulb" lamp. (A silk-in-light-bulb is safer, cleaner and simpler than milk-in-light-bulb would be.) And don't forget that you can use a TT to produce or vanish something besides a silk--like a sponge ball. Jay Scott Berry has some nice ideas with a TT that you might want to explore.


Keep in mind, too, that even laymen who know a magic secret or two are still entertained and appreciate when a novel presentation is given to a trick that they know. You can fool a lot of lay people who have bought the "Short and Long Cards" by using a Bicycle Svengali deck as long as you skip the part where the deck becomes all the same card. And we've all heard the story of a magician doing the linking rings and someone coming up afterwards and saying, "I had a set of rings like that, but mine didn't work the way yours does."

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If you you are panic and give attention to TT then all spectators will see it. Natural handling and smooth moves will make the effect very magical.

Pat Page has very excellent video about TT and his clever handling.
Alexander De Cova also has excellent video.

I like the idea of Rocco's Flipper TT because it eliminates the need to remove TT in order to retrieve silk because you can reproduce silk without taking TT out.

Fujiwara gimmick it is handling more smooth than TT and it can load more big load.
Fi*r T also can look more better than TT handling but it is very small and can load less than TT.

In my handling to TT I use rubber one which is flexible and I put it on middle finger , just I curl my fingers little and it will not show at all and I can move , gesture and do everything without problem or flashing.

I use rubber one because I can steal it very quickly and easy from hand to hand ,specially when I stroke the silk and steal in other hand it will go very smooth.Also when you palm it you can compress it and make it more small.
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On 2013-05-30 14:36, Ekuth wrote:
I've been performing it at every show I do and not *once* has anyone caught on, known it, or called me out.
In fact, it's the one effect I can rely on to draw gasps EVERY time.



Same for me. It all depends on how well you present it, and how comfortable you are with the "moves."
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At a recent gig, as soon as I pulled a silk out of my pocket one of the spectators leaned over to his girlfriend and started whispering while gesturing to his thumb. There are some--many perhaps--who have dabbled in a bit of magic and think TT as soon as they see a silk. While the routine involved more than the disappearance of the silk, I suspect he felt pretty good about having a "theory" that could explain about 10% of the trick. Is this a problem? I don't know.
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On 2013-07-03 14:17, Stephon Johnson wrote:
Are we talking about using the TT and the very small silk that goes totally in the TT, or vanishing a large silk and using the TT with a corner decoy while you go south with the real silk? I suggest the latter version is less known.
I've recently become very interested in a Fujiwara 1 & 2 gimmick. Anyone tried those out? Would seem to fool the TT know it all.
Steph


Steven...the "latter" version is, as far as I know, an idea of Burling Hull's (sometimes known to old timers as Hurling Bull) I'm fairly sure that the "official" name is ELUSIVE SILK. (at least that's what Harold Rice called it)

It's not too often seen. I think it's because the original handling required p*lm*ng a loose silk. Karrell Fox had a much simpler handling in one of his books, and I'm puttin another handling which I developed in my book

I've gotten lots of use out of it for walkarounds. My version requires no set up...it's instantly repeatable.
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On 2014-01-06 12:51, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
At a recent gig, as soon as I pulled a silk out of my pocket one of the spectators leaned over to his girlfriend and started whispering while gesturing to his thumb. There are some--many perhaps--who have dabbled in a bit of magic and think TT as soon as they see a silk. While the routine involved more than the disappearance of the silk, I suspect he felt pretty good about having a "theory" that could explain about 10% of the trick. Is this a problem? I don't know.


Sounds more like you are bothered just because people are talking. This shows your gilt. How do you know he was talking about you and the silk, maybe he had a hangnail and telling his girlfriend it hurts. Now if the person yelled out something, then be concerned. Your job is to do the trick so well that that guy questions his own knowledge (if he has any), again you assuming every one on the planet has or had an interest in magic.
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On 2013-07-03 14:17, Stephon Johnson wrote:
Are we talking about using the TT and the very small silk that goes totally in the TT, or vanishing a large silk and using the TT with a corner decoy while you go south with the real silk? I suggest the latter version is less known.
I've recently become very interested in a Fujiwara 1 & 2 gimmick. Anyone tried those out? Would seem to fool the TT know it all.
Steph
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HeQQ! Ignore the last post of mine above~ In a fit of stupidity, more or less, I punched the submit button before I wrote my comment!

I've enjoyed reading down this thread. In 1975,at the SAM convention in Chicago, J.B. BOBO and I had found a couch in a corner and were having a jackpot session. We hadn't seen each other in a few years. The young guys who read this may be interested to hear that when professionals visit, they seldom do tricks or even talk about tricks. We mainly talk business. We exchange news of associates and what they are doing, etc.

So, I was slightly surprised when J. B. said, "Hey Dick, have you seen this?" He produced a 12" silk and then vanished it with one of the relatively new (then) Vernet TT's. "No." I said. "That looks good." He showed me what he was doing. I put it "in" that fall, and I used it to open for about five years,

I used a 4 momme 12" silk, and the TT handled it fine. A couple years later, the long Vernets were available, and now, when I do it, I use an 18" half silk. IT STILL PLAYS STRONG,

Of course, I don't do LITTLE JACK HORNER! (STICKING ONE'S THUMB IN TO STEAL THE TT) AND, I don't say,"Here I have a little red SILK. ETC.!!!

Old timers know! IT'S ALL IN THE PRESENTATION! The PERFORMER is always more important thsn the PROP!!!

A number of old timers above have made this point already,and they've said it well, but ONE NORE "can't hurt, and might help!"
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Hey Dick, well said! And I agree with you 100% about NOT inserting one's thumb.
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I always laugh about this one. I constantly show my wife all kinds of "dazzling" tricks, but over the years, the one she likes the best and doesn't roll her eyes at, is the old tt silk vanish. It always cracks me up Smile
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On 2014-01-06 18:19, arthur stead wrote:
Hey Dick, well said! And I agree with you 100% about NOT inserting one's thumb.


Here, here. I use the kickout myself and steal the TT on my index or middle finger and then transfer.
Thumb never goes in the hole... no, no, no.
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Thanks ARTHUR & EKUTH for the POSITIVE COMMENTS!

I fear too many performers do not realize the potential in basic props,& fekes! The TT is "versatile", but very few "experiment" to learn that!
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I believe there are better ways to vanish/appear bigger silks, creating a stronger impact. I love the TT for producing/vanishing salt/pepper from borrowed currency. Whenever I performed it, got great reactions. I used TT for BS previously, but these days I'm using a method that (I think I came up with) helps me achieve a BS for more effectively sans the TT.
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It's still my favorite way to do a bill change.
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On 2014-01-06 12:51, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
At a recent gig, as soon as I pulled a silk out of my pocket one of the spectators leaned over to his girlfriend and started whispering while gesturing to his thumb. There are some--many perhaps--who have dabbled in a bit of magic and think TT as soon as they see a silk. While the routine involved more than the disappearance of the silk, I suspect he felt pretty good about having a "theory" that could explain about 10% of the trick. Is this a problem? I don't know.


Sounds more like you are bothered just because people are talking. This shows your gilt. How do you know he was talking about you and the silk, maybe he had a hangnail and telling his girlfriend it hurts. Now if the person yelled out something, then be concerned. Your job is to do the trick so well that that guy questions his own knowledge (if he has any), again you assuming every one on the planet has or had an interest in magic.


Bah. You assume too much. I noticed it. I did the routine. I'm not bothered.

Of course you're more likely to hear "it's up his sleeve" than you are to hear "it's in his thumb".
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Certainly 18-21 year olds in the UK have never seen it. I perform mostly for students, and so far I would say about 95% of the people I've performed for have never seen the linking rings... seriously! I performed a chop cup routine and asked who had seen the cups and balls. One out of 20 had! This new generation (my generation) haven't seen much classic magic before. Most have only seen card tricks and Blaine stuff. I recently added the dye tube and am blowing them away! Take note Dougini!

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The old TT debate,ya got to love it.
Over exposed-yes
seen in movies like "a night at the musleum" -yes

I was lucky enough to purchase Fielding West' DVD'S many years ago,on which he taught the knock out move,and a TT die tube variation.Since then I have never been called out by a spectator ,child or adult.
The fact that I also use a rabbit and top hat set of silks makes for an entertaining few minutes of magic for young and old alike .
So many times whilst working tables I'll pull out the silk with the top hat on it,some one will say "your'e not going to tell me there is it a rabbit in your pocket as well are you"(or something similar)I just say "no" we magicians only pull rabbits from our hats it's a tradition. (the spectator loves the fact that he or she had guesed what was going to happen next)Just incase anybody hits me with the line"can you pull a Hair out of your a##^,a Delite is substituted for the hair ,it gets a good laugh,try it sometime
Jon.
PS:Grab a set of these silks ,they kill.
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Ursula Martinez. Oh yes... I love my TT and carry it everywher, it's great for kids and adults alike. I tell them the handkerchief is actually on elastic and if they watch very carefully they'll see it going over my shoulder. Obvious rubbish but it's amazing how many people actually look there to see it go!


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