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Herr Brian Tabor
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Recently here I've seen several threads talking about scams, in the form of someone contacting a magician and offering to pay them, such as this one here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44

I grew up in the information age of technology, and use the internet every day, and I am well aware of all the internet scams and how to avoid them.
That being said, I have to admit, I don't think I would have realized this was a scam until it was too late. So that got me thinking:

What are some red flags that would make you delete an email or refuse the gig on the phone, etc. How can you protect yourself and learn to identify scams in this form?

Obviously, anything that asks for your SSN, or bank account, but others?
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Don't book the gig (thus reserving the date) until you have 1/2 the payment (non-refundable) in your bank account. That's a good start.

Otherwise, research internet scams via Google and I think you'll find most take a limited number of forms.
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Someone wrote a good book on this subject!
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Here is a Magic Café thread on scams

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=190

Here is an interesting website on scams

http://houseofdeception.com/Con_Artists.html

The AARP has recommended a book on scams

http://www.aarp.org/entertainment/books/......del.html
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If an offer looms too good to be true it is.

Sound business practices will keep it from happening . Most people get stung out of greed. It is the easiest thing for them to prey upon.
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OMG
Howie has risen from the dead. Howie how come your email account doesn't work? How come your cell number doesn't work? How come I can't contact you through your web site? How come your magic Café account vanished? How have you been for the past year?????
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I get fraudulent offers at least once a month, and they all smell like old fish.
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On 2013-07-05 14:41, Al Angello wrote:
OMG
Howie has risen from the dead. Howie how come your email account doesn't work? How come your cell number doesn't work? How come I can't contact you through your web site? How come your magic Café account vanished? How have you been for the past year?????


Al;

Thanks for asking, for the past seven months I have been in the hospital, or in bed, I am still not working, but feeling good enough to return to the café.

It's good to see you as well
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Great choice of words Al. Maybe see someone to help you take your tootsies out of your yapper.
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Good to see you back again Buzz. Hope you are recovering well.
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On 2013-07-05 12:38, James Munton wrote:
Someone wrote a good book on this subject!


Which I highly recommend.
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On 2013-07-05 18:05, Police Magician wrote:
Good to see you back again Buzz. Hope you are recovering well.


Thanks Glenn
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Howie
I had no idea what happened to you, and I'm glad you are feeling better.

If you pay attention to Danny it will only encourage him to keep talking.
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Yea Al try to backpeddle.

Tough when you run your mouth reckless and pwople remember huh?
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Howie, so sorry to hear about your health situation. Hope you are feeling better and on the mend and road to recovery. Seeing that you're back seems to be a good sign in your progress.
Herr Brian Tabor
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To clarify, I'm not speaking of avoiding scams in general, but rather scams of this type, where someone tries to scam an entertainer.
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Thanks Mindpro, I'm better now the medical procedures are finished and I'm healing nicely now and the drugs I was taking before the procedures that made me irritable are now discontinued
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Brian
Here is the scan scenario. You get an email telling you that they want you to do their kids birthday party in Denver next month, and money is no object. Please give me a price for that show. You give them a price of several thousand dollars. Then you get a cashiers check for your fee plus $2,000. They tell you that it was a minor mistake, and you should return the extra money to them. The job never happens and 30 days later your bank informs you that the check was phoney and you owe them a refund.

That my friend is how the entertainment scam works

Danny
Please stop bird dogging me. I'm an old man and I don't play school boy games.
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Don't flatter yourself. Nobody is noted dogging you. And if making you stand behind your own words is childish I guess I am.
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Herr Brian Tabor
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On 2013-07-06 09:45, Al Angello wrote:
Brian
Here is the scan scenario. You get an email telling you that they want you to do their kids birthday party in Denver next month, and money is no object. Please give me a price for that show. You give them a price of several thousand dollars. Then you get a cashiers check for your fee plus $2,000. They tell you that it was a minor mistake, and you should return the extra money to them. The job never happens and 30 days later your bank informs you that the check was phoney and you owe them a refund.

That my friend is how the entertainment scam works

Danny
Please stop bird dogging me. I'm an old man and I don't play school boy games.


Wow. Seems like an easy thing to fall for. So should I just not take cashier's checks? Because in that event it seems you wouldn't know it was a scam until they wanted a refund. Although now that my greed is past, (lol) I can see that money is no object might be a red flag as well?
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