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shakuni Inner circle 1169 Posts |
Does anyone have any info on Bob Kohler's version of Cylinder & Coins? Is it in print or in some dvd? Thanks!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
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On 2013-07-17 06:12, shakuni wrote: Did you ask Bob Kohler?
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
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On 2013-07-19 17:17, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Great answer. . .
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4911 Posts |
Yea always A great thing to do!
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Ramin Regular user 119 Posts |
Actually, I believe, if I remember correctly that it is on a DVD. Not one he put out, but a British one possibly. definitely maybe
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afinemesh Inner circle Senseless gibberish that amounts to 2621 Posts |
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On 2013-07-19 21:54, Ramin wrote: Very helpful. . .
"I've always been mental, I'm sure of it" Boris Pocus
"Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny". . .Bruce Springsteen |
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Ramin Regular user 119 Posts |
Yeah, I thought I might be able to find it, but Google let me down. Now I'm beginning to think I was dreaming
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Martino Special user Manchester, UK 928 Posts |
AFAIK Bob has never released his work on the C&C effect. There was a C&C routine by Dan Watkins on his DVD which was ut out by Bib Kohler but if I remember correctly it wasn't explained. I do seem to think I read somewhere rhough that Bob was working on putting his version out so maybe we'll see it sometime soon?
"There's a difference between not knowing how something is done and knowing it can't be done!" - Simon Aronson
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shakuni Inner circle 1169 Posts |
Still looking...
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Did you ask Bob Kohler? Thanks Sir, I will send him an email today. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
I recommend learning what you can about the stack if pence, John Ramsay's personality and the magic club environment of his time, including the Bertram routine before mistreating the cylinder trick as a holy grail. If you like the coins to somewhere routine idea you might do well with Roth's planet routine and add your own one at a time vanish sequence that works best for you. Reading the literature will get you to some remarks about davenports selling the Ramsay book and red(!!) cardboard props for the trick that nobody has made work the way Ramsay did... Because that are not Ramsay, do not have his personality and audiences expect different cues for sleights/feints in the same way as fashions change over time.
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shakuni Inner circle 1169 Posts |
Hi Sir, where can I find the Ross Bertram's cylinder and coins routine?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
IIRC it was Charles Bertram. Here's some of the trick to whet your appetite for serious reading of "The Modern Conjurer" by C. Lang Neil
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The Cap and Pence. There you go. If you read that book it will help you get some clues about what Ramsay's audience was expecting and how they were deceived.
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J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
I have "Whisper", which is Roger Klaus's Cap and Pence routine - with a gimmick made by Todd Lassen to boot. Besides the gimmick, Roger's booklet alone is worth the price of Whisper. Which by the way is very affordable. He seems to have considered every nuance of the routine and explains it all beautifully.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Whisper is pretty good for a variant of the Leipzig routine. I still feel there's more to explore. Part of that more is borrowed coins and that blemished dime - or penny in the Klause routine.
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shakuni Inner circle 1169 Posts |
Sent message to Mr. Kohler using the contact form on his site but no response. I think the details are not available publicly?
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
There used to be a video of Kohler performance in Youtube from some japanese tv show. That was the not gaffed version and it was pretty much similar to most published versions. Rumor says though that his working version is gaffed to the hilt...
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
Bob's C&C version is not published nor do I think he has plans to publish it.
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**Roper** Regular user Houston 179 Posts |
Did someone hack into Dan Watkins account and post?! Good to see you back, Dan!
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
No hacking.
Been too busy to read and post much. This thread caught my attention since it was about one of my favorite routines, and one of my magic buddies. Bob has one of the best C&C routines. I fist saw it back in 2000 and he fooled me. One of the reasons I learned the trick myself. Wait for Tim Conover's book to come out. Tim's work on it is the real deal. Tim and Bob were friends and Bob originally learned the trick from Tim. Of course, we all evolve our own routines. Both Bob and Tim have had considerable influence on my thinking on the trick as well. |
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Bob Kohler Special user 704 Posts |
Tim Conover is certainly the modern master of Ramsay's Cylinder & Coin. Tim and I traded secrets in 1984 and he taught me two versions he was using during that era. Tim has a lot of work on the plot. All will eventually be revealed.
Personally I have 7 different versions that I use. I love each one for different reasons. I have performed 3 or 4 of these for magicians over the years. I will tell you that the actual routine I use professionally has never been shown to the magic community and it has never been filmed. Will I ever publish my routines? I have no idea. I can tell you that I would never publish any of them until well after the Tim Conover book is released. |
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