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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
I've never really worked on a 3 Fly, so to be honest, I don't know how an audience would react to it.
However, to my mind, the majority of the versions that I've seen appear confusing - and I'm watching as a magician, that understands an effect possibly more than the average spectator. At the end of the day, it's simply a version of Coins Across - and I prefer my own routine that uses the spectators hands. There's more of an emotional attachment, rather than a piece of eye candy which, to my mind anyway, screams 'watch me and see how clever I am'.
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-18 18:12, tomsk192 wrote: Yes, it was a good suggestion and magicians put interesting ideas in this topic |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
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On 2013-07-20 03:58, Merc Man wrote: Hey Merc, for me, 3 Fly initially was a bit overwhelming to tackle. I understand some of the points you make here and have heard them now and again, here and there from magicians. That's why I think you have to make it as simple as possible to do and to be understood...It can't be a long-winded effect or confusion can set in and I've had experience with that too. And I agree, it is a version of Coins Across but the element of the visual fly is a good thing and can be very magical, I believe. Perhaps the best way to do this is to include it as part of a Coins Across. I actually include a "Fly" type move in my Coins Across because I think the moment of magic is so strong and different than coins "invisibly" going across in closed hands. Might even be good to quickly do the 3 Fly behind the CA... I have done that at times, saying something like, "Well, you saw this happen invisibly, let me show you something even more impossible." When I do this, I also say let's even use some bigger coins, and I then put away the smaller halves and bring out the Morgans for some even more magic. It works! Anyway, good talk on this.
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-20 10:50, Mb217 wrote: 3 fly can be good (if it's a direct version) when you use it as a sequence after a coin across routine. because if you begin by 3 fly, the visual aspect forbids the spectator imagination to work (visual things are too much brutal for that). When you use 3 fly as a sequence to a coin across effect, there is already mystery and you can offer an other aspect of magic (visual magic). I don't use 3 fly but I have tried to use only one phase of it at the end of a coin across routine. |
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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
I make the first two travel visibly, ala three fly, then third coin travels to helper's closed hand. Best of both worlds
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bobthemagicdoerguy Regular user I can't remember where I left my 186 Posts |
Miser's dream - same problem I have with the ambitious card - I can't think of a proper ending. If you could really pull money out of thin air, why would you ever stop??
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-20 16:01, bobthemagicdoerguy wrote: Because it's an illusion |
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Evoker New user Paris, France 77 Posts |
Shadow coins ... It is such a beautiful routine but I don't want to knee on the floor ...
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-07-20 19:30, Evoker wrote: You don't have to knee on the floor Take a look at David Roth original trick |
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OliveroG Regular user 167 Posts |
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On 2013-07-20 16:01, bobthemagicdoerguy wrote: Vanish them all!
I hope you understand, my dear friend, that everything you are seeing is a lie, but everything you are feeling holds true.
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Tenacitiz New user A pathetic total of 71 Posts |
I'll put another vote for hanging coins. Especially in the DR original. "I could do the last two together, or one at a time." You then proceed to not do the last one at all! It's one of those effects I learnt knowing I'd never perform it in the real world, but like so much of this kind of magic, it's not just the effect but what learning something new adds to your overall technique. Plus it's a great ed** grip workout.
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David Neighbors V.I.P. 4910 Posts |
Stuff I will never do! Bad ones! The ones that don't look like MAGIC !!!
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
I prefer not to just do a single coin effect -- and like a reason for having the coin(s) and any prop. Routining several effects that blend logically together often requires a story. Needless to say, I don't perform very often, and never "on demand."
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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3 Fly is one of my favorite routines, not just within coin magic, but magic in general. Seems like the parts of 3 Fly that some have said they dislike, are actually my favorite parts of the routine. The lead-in before the final phase where you place the third coin "visibly" next to the 2 coins already in your other hand, gets a GREAT reaction from specs. I mean in terms of laughter and tension relief, not amazement. It's disarming and then you immediately cause it to magically jump back again to where it was just was a moment ago, that really catches people off guard. I've actually re-routined versions that didn't have that part just to include it. It makes the reversal of having the coin suddenly fly in the opposite direction even more surprising. The first time I saw 3 Fly performed it was that phase that made we want to learn the trick. But we're all different and that's what makes life so interesting. The other thing with 3 Fly is that for me it is an ongoing journey. I'm constantly changing it and working on new elements and subtleties. I hope that it never feels "finished". It's always evolving and I learn so much about so many aspects of performing through the process. The goal is not only to make the routine itself stronger but to make all of my magic stronger, and to make me a better performer. So many different things are possible with it, subtle variations here and there. I'm sure there are many tricks like that, but I have personally never encountered it with anything else to the same degree that I have with 3 Fly. I'm always learning new lessons from it. Plus, as with so many tricks, it really comes through to the specs when you genuinely like a trick a lot and totally enjoy performing it. It's contagious and they can sense your excitement and they enjoy it more too. Of course the opposite is equally true, so if you don't personally care for something, find something else that genuinely excites you. I don't believe any of the tricks mentioned in this thread are bad tricks, they just don't appeal to the particular individual for whatever reason, so they are wise not to do them. |
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Tenacitiz New user A pathetic total of 71 Posts |
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On 2013-08-07 00:35, videoman Absolutely!! |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
"I haven't done it yet" was more a Latta thing. Doing a coins across as a deja-vu trick presented as if for a magician audience can work for ordinary audiences. Since he did not publish his work on Nowhere Palm I could not put any of my work into print -so you got the fingerpalm handling of the one-handed vanish. Gary Kurtz did a version that seemed to work for him.
The trick I like but don't do is a thing with a silver half dollar and a small plexiglass pyramid I had made back in 1985... and have used all of a dozen times. Remember those "pyramid power" things you were suppose to put a razor blade underneath and it would sharpen? My working premise was that it takes things inside back in time. So a 1964 half dollar becomes a 1963, then I cover the pyramid with foil to "insulate the inside from electromagnetic interference" - insert tinfoil hat joke here - and then after a moment the coin goes back over two hundred years to become an English Penney. Then after a careful alignment - two thousand years to be a roman coin. One last travel - and you get a pile of salt. The pyramid is then crumpled into the foil (yes all that as setup for the saltshaker vanish) and using a TT to get the salt onto the table. Anyway what kept me from doing the trick was the clutter/traffic issues of four coins and only a bag for the pyramid, a coinpurse, a square of tinfoil to handle cover ... and of course I designed it to be done sitting which was a mistake. I don't often wear a jacket so the trick languishes. The TT goes back on the thumb and the crumpled foil makes that last part just fine since there's a pile of salt on the table and the foil is empty ... but still all that traffic. I should rework the thing. Interesting or TMI? Jon
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
Coins through table, unfortunately
One of my favourite routines, but most of my practice time occurs on public transport, so I don't feel practised enough even if a performance opportunity presents itself. Jon, that routine description was very interesting and shows just how much creative thought can go into a routine. I can see why it's rarely performed though! |
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
In the conceptual space between 3fly and Coins Across I have experimented with a "middle ground." Not perfected so only performed for mentoring magician friends -- hardly a unbiased audience, but the feedback is positive.
I use an "Invisible Shelf" set up in front of my heart and described as to function. After a 3Fly to my right hand (or Coins Across), I place the coins one at a time on the shelf where they visibly vanish. With my right hand dropped my left comes up and visibly removes the invisible coin from the shelf, i.e. makes it visible by removing it from the shelf. This continues until all three coins are in my left hand and the right hand empty. Naturally, the status/count of each hand is visually displayed before each placement and my hands never come close to each other. Somehow the idea that a coin can be made"non-visible" by masking it is more acceptable than having the coin itself become invisible. Perhaps it is that James Bond car thing. Why don't I perform this in public? Because my crippled fingers are prone to suddenly cramp and drop the coins. Maybe someone else would like to learn this.
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Jiceh Special user France 742 Posts |
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On 2013-08-07 02:22, Tenacitiz wrote: Obviously, it is not because I don't perform a trick that I don't like it. And it is not because I don't like it that this trick is bad. Thus, I agree |
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