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Lobo
I still think that you are missing my point entirely. I am only talking about the people who made fortunes here, and don't like to pay their fair share. You are just playing lawyer with me, but at least you don't call me school yard names.
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On 2013-08-14 14:33, Al Angello wrote:
Lobo
I still think that you are missing my point entirely. I am only talking about the people who made fortunes here, and don't like to pay their fair share. You are just playing lawyer with me, but at least you don't call me school yard names.


I think the issue is more that not everybody agrees as to what their fair share is.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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We can negotiate what a fair share is, but putting millions in your Swiss bank account while complaining about disabled veterans, and those who want their monthly social security check are the people that I am talking about.
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I agree. GE should NOT be allowed to do that.
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When you jump all over me for little or no reason it does not exactly make ME look bad. LOL


Show me where I "jumped all over you" please. I am TRYING IN VEIN to understand you!
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Danny I am not odd. LOL
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The only immigration "was" is on ILLEGAL immigration. One million new foreign nationals become Americans every year with the full blessing of the U.S. government.


And the FDA is approving dozens of new drugs every year too. The only drug "war" is on ILLEGAL drugs.
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I still think that you are missing my point entirely. I am only talking about the people who made fortunes here, and don't like to pay their fair share. You are just playing lawyer with me, but at least you don't call me school yard names.


"Fair share," there's nothing "fair" about taking something by threat of force.
It's amazing, people will criticize you for "biting the hand that feeds you," while they're busy praising the hand that beats them.

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Or actual coersion and real force.

Nobodies "fair share" is in my pocket.
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I think it depends on the "something." I don't think there's a practical alternative for, say, national defense, and if it's done on a volunteer basis, then you have the free rider problem, which isn't "fair" either. I guess you could just abandon national defense, and we could all pay the same amount ($0). Wouldn't be my first choice.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) immigration," anyway? Not having open borders?
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Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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A "WAR" on anything is anyone doing anything you disagree with. This is how political debate is now framed.

Just like Al spouting off about "fair share" just like his hero constantly does. Nobody ever researches anything or thinks for themselves. It is sound bites pure and simple.
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When General Electric pays no income tax they are not paying their fair share.

When giant oil companies get government subsidies for God only knows what they are not paying their fair share.

Now that wasn't hard was it?
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Or actual coersion and real force.

Nobodies "fair share" is in my pocket.


See, we can agree. Though I don't know how you plan on funding police, etc.
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Get rid of all subsidies and all tax write offs and loopholes and now everyone can pay a reasonable amount. Flat rate or consumption tax anything but the convoluted mess we have now.

But if they did that they couldn't get elected on the promise of lower taxes...
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What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) immigration," anyway? Not having open borders?


What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) drugs," anyway? Not allowing free to people to engage in voluntary interactions, transactions, and contracts?
Actually, sounds identical to the war on immigration.
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Or actual coersion and real force.

Nobodies "fair share" is in my pocket.


See, we can agree. Though I don't know how you plan on funding police, etc.


Funding the 18 enumerated powers I have no problem with. Never said I do.
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What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) immigration," anyway? Not having open borders?


What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) drugs," anyway? Not allowing free to people to engage in voluntary interactions, transactions, and contracts?
Actually, sounds identical to the war on immigration.


In reality they couldn't be more different.
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On 2013-08-14 18:08, LobowolfXXX wrote:
What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) immigration," anyway? Not having open borders?


What, exactly, IS the "war on (illegal) drugs," anyway? Not allowing free to people to engage in voluntary interactions, transactions, and contracts?
Actually, sounds identical to the war on immigration.


At this point, I can only assume your vagueness is a deliberate attempt to protect your comment from rational debate.
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When General Electric pays no income tax they are not paying their fair share.


Do the shareholders of General Electric pay taxes on the dividend payout they recieve from the profits of the company? Also, do the CEOs and employees of General Electric pay taxes? I know that with certain tax elections for an LLC such as partnership or disregarded entity taxation, the LLC itself is not taxed but that tax liability passes down to the members of the LLC and the members are directly liable for taxes on the profits of the LLC. Active members that have elected to be taxed as a parntership in an LLC have to pay quarterly self employment taxes in addition to income taxes where the inactive members have (who are also part of the partnership tax election) to pay income taxes but are not liable for self employment taxes because their income is more like passive investor income rather than somebody whose income is generated because they are actively working on a day to day basis for the company.

So, just because an entity like a corporation or LLC don't pay taxes directly, doesn't mean that no taxes are paid on the profits of the company (which corporations have different tax rules than an LLC who elected to be taxed as a partnership or disregarded entity). Sometimes, nations or states within a nation try to offer corporations favorable tax treatment (but not necessarily so to any profits taken out of the corporation by the shareholders) because it incentivizes keeping money in the corporation rather than taking it out which encourages further investment by the corporation to make their company better which in turn helps with jobs growth and employment opportunities for society. You don't want to over-tax and take away incentives needed to create jobs, but on the same token, government isn't free and you have to pay taxes. So you have to tax wisely and strike a happy balance. Tax policy is important in helping or preventing economic growth.
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