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mastermindreader
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I think you may be right, MobilityBundle. Also consider that the more good writing people read, the better they tend to write themselves. But people don't read as much good literature as they used to. (Someone on this forum, in fact, recently stated that "No one reads books anymore.") Unfortunately, there is so much BAD and ungrammatical writing on the Internet in general and social media in particular, that it seems to produce the reverse effect- the more ungrammatical material people read, the worse their writing is likely to become.
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On 2013-08-19 13:38, mastermindreader wrote:
I think you may be right, MobilityBundle. Also consider that the more good writing people read, the better they tend to write themselves. But people don't read as much good literature as they used to. (Someone on this forum, in fact, recently stated that "No one reads books anymore.") Unfortunately, there is so much BAD and ungrammatical writing on the Internet in general and social media in particular, that it seems to produce the reverse effect- the more ungrammatical material people read, the worse their writing is likely to become.

Amen!

My mom had always been an exceptionally good speller. However, once she started teaching art history at a local university, her spelling acumen declined markedly. She attributes it to reading a multitude of term papers each of which contained (possibly more than) its fair share of spelling errors. Spelling is largely a visual skill: you picture a word spelled properly. Once you see it misspelled frequently, that image can override (or replace) the image of the word correctly spelled.
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On 2013-08-19 04:36, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Even if you're a dinosaur, you'd be a cool T-rex Bob! Smile

:cheers:
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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On 2013-08-19 12:04, mastermindreader wrote:
I wonder how a corporate planner would react to an emailed booking confirmation that is typed as follow:

"Greetz!

thank you 4 booking my show can't wait 2 per4m 4 ur group"

If I was still in the corporate world and received an email akin to that from someone seeking a job, the first thing I would do is hit the delete key.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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I'm waiting to hear 4eva Infiniti's erudite take on this.
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On 2013-08-18 23:47, Bob1Dog wrote:
How about the reader being capable of understanding the writing?


Um... I could show you examples where plaintext leaves the phonics gang in the dust looking for a cheat sheet as if they were without a clue to explore with a wiki... but I won't Smile
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On 2013-08-19 04:36, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Even if you're a dinosaur, you'd be a cool T-rex Bob! Smile

:cheers:


Cheers! Smile
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How about the reader being capable of understanding the writing?


Um... I could show you examples where plaintext leaves the phonics gang in the dust looking for a cheat sheet as if they were without a clue to explore with a wiki... but I won't Smile

Good! You did the right thing. Smile
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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On 2013-08-19 16:31, Tom Jorgenson wrote:
I'm waiting to hear 4eva Infiniti's erudite take on this.

Me too! Eternity has been amazingly shrinking in the expanding universe most recently. Smile
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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Many amusing thoughts here given that they perhaps relate to a de-eveolution of our culture.

One issue is the apparent "externalization" of the problem -- blaming technology for the corruption. This is like blaming the hammer for your bend nail or an ugly piece of furniture.

It seems that "people" are less concerned about grammar, spelling and "clarity of meaning" than in earlier generations. If their friends seem to understand what they are saying it is OK - right?

Then they go out ant attempt to get a good job and are dismayed/betrayed to learn that their boss does consider that proper language is important (along with being able to write a decent paragraph and do math in your head).

Yes, I am sure that in just a couple of years a law will be passed that requires an employer to hire a certain number of illiterate people (Language Disabled) and perhaps allow them to bring a "Service Senior" along to help them communicate effectively.

As a landlord of several properties I now sit down with potential tenants an read each line item of the Rental Agreement out loud as it is electronically recorded. They have to initial each line item before a witness. Why? Because otherwise they later claim that they "did not understand" what they were signing. Even then any concept that they are accountable for what they have signed is "beyond comprehension" too.

I had a recent applicate announce it was not his fault he could not read the Rental Agreement. "His school did not have enough computers to go around and still used books!"

"Is modern technology corrupting language?" Nope -- but people are.
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On 2013-08-19 13:38, mastermindreader wrote:
I think you may be right, MobilityBundle. Also consider that the more good writing people read, the better they tend to write themselves. But people don't read as much good literature as they used to. (Someone on this forum, in fact, recently stated that "No one reads books anymore.") Unfortunately, there is so much BAD and ungrammatical writing on the Internet in general and social media in particular, that it seems to produce the reverse effect- the more ungrammatical material people read, the worse their writing is likely to become.


Side note here: I've been noticing more and more bad writing in marketed books and newspapers recently! And it make me wonder why I CAN'T get a novel published work work for a newspaper when I clearly think I have better writing skills and spend more time correcting my obvious errors. It just makes no sense.

Take note: I'm a very sloppy internet writer. But when I'm actually writing for a good purpose, I spend time to make sur eI'm doing it correctly.
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No, modern technology is not corrupting language. It is but a tool. It can be used intelligently, or lazily. There are far greater social reasons why younger generations are lazy and feel entitled without working for it.
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Well said.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

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It just drives me nuts when I hear people talking in acranym and it's happening everywhere. Bank of Montreal is now just BMO (pronounced bee mo) which I think is just silly . But I don't necessarily think technology is necessarily the culperate as it is just laziness .
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On 2013-08-20 16:18, frankvomit wrote:
It just drives me nuts when I hear people talking in acranym and it's happening everywhere. Bank of Montreal is now just BMO (pronounced bee mo) which I think is just silly . But I don't necessarily think technology is necessarily the culperate as it is just laziness .

That's hilarious.
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Yeah I'm waiting to see how far it's going to go before we start to de-evolve.
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It just drives me nuts when I hear people talking in acranym and it's happening everywhere. Bank of Montreal is now just BMO (pronounced bee mo) which I think is just silly . But I don't necessarily think technology is necessarily the culperate as it is just laziness .

I've noticed this with a lot of things. The National Geographic Channel is now Nat Geo, for example. I guess typing all of those extra letters is too costly.

For the record, I LOATHE "text speak." U for you, 2 for too, ur for you're...I've stopped emailing and texting some friends because of that. If they can't take the time to type properly to me, I have no interest in communicating with them. It's laziness and I find it ridiculous and childish.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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On 2013-08-20 16:18, frankvomit wrote:
It just drives me nuts when I hear people talking in acranym and it's happening everywhere. Bank of Montreal is now just BMO (pronounced bee mo) which I think is just silly . But I don't necessarily think technology is necessarily the culperate as it is just laziness .

I've noticed this with a lot of things. The National Geographic Channel is now Nat Geo, for example. I guess typing all of those extra letters is too costly.

For the record, I LOATHE "text speak." U for you, 2 for too, ur for you're...I've stopped emailing and texting some friends because of that. If they can't take the time to type properly to me, I have no interest in communicating with them. It's laziness and I find it ridiculous and childish.


AMEN!
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about? Smile

My neighbor rang my doorbell at 2:30 a.m. this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 a.m.!? Lucky for him I was still up playing my drums.
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Foreva infiniti has been remarkably silent lately. (Or shouldn't that be "4eva infiniti?"
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