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eatonmagic
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Hello gentlemen,

As many of you may or may not know, I make my living by performing with the Orlando Magic NBA team throughout the regular season (Oct-April) and also as a graphic designer and marketing specialist. I specifically work with social media and mobile marketing.

From now until the end of September, I will be offering a deal too good to be true. For those of you that take your business seriously, you'll see the value right away!

Last October, I began designing and building custom Facebook landing pages. If you're not familiar with these it's essentially a KILLER way to promote your company directly inside of Facebook without having to leave Facebook! It's a one-stop shopping experience your fans and ultimately clients will love.

The problem with most people that try to use Facebook to grow their business is that they're constantly focusing on "likes" and not conversion. The key to growing your business with social media is turning those "likes" into $$$. I've seen magicians with 10,000 fans but their business is still sitting idol. I've also seen magicians with 50 fans but they are WELL TARGETED and those 50 fans are all doing business. Too many people (especially magicians) like to brag about how many fans they have but if they're not targeted, what good are they doing you?

These FB landing pages will make your company stand out and give your FB page an incredibly professional look. More importantly, it will offer you to:

• Capture leads
• Sell your products/services directly through FB
• Help drive more foot traffic to your local gig (restaurant, lounge, etc)
• Increase engagement

Here are some sample pages I have done:
https://www.facebook.com/EricJonesMagic/app_102068836552678
https://www.facebook.com/VanishingInc/app_102068836552678
https://www.facebook.com/VanishingInc/app_119255214825893
https://www.facebook.com/KentuckyMagicTheater
https://www.facebook.com/magicofdavid

(Be sure to navigate using the tabs once you arrive at the page)


I know what some of you are saying..."But Mike, I already have a website. Why not just provide a link and take them to my site?" Well, ultimately this is the key to building your business online and you still have the ability to do that. But this offers you a way to get 95% of your business out of the way without having to leave FB and it already has built-in traffic! And yes, you can incorporate Google Analytics into it for tracking purposes : )

If you need promo materials, I also design business cards, postcards, brochures, banners, retractable banner stands, etc.

My clients include: Chad Long, Kostya Kimlat, Doc Eason, Robert Moreland, Eric Jones, Kozmo, Andi Gladwin & Josh Jay (Vanishing Inc Magic), and many more.

Again, here are some samples:
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Pricing
Typically, I offer these services to businesses for up to around $900 down and $499/month. But I wanted to reach out to my magic friends on the Café and offer a deal.

From NOW until the end of September I am offering three (3) different packages designed to fit the working man's budget. They include:

Package 1 - The Beginner
• One (1) FB landing page
• 1000 business cards (14 point, UV coated, 4/4 color)

Package 2 - The Worker
• One (1) FB landing page
• 1000 business cards (14 point, UV coated, 4/4 color)
• One 18x24 poster

Package 3 - The PRO
• One (1) FB landing page
• 1000 Premium business cards (16 point, silk laminate coated w/spot UV, 4/4 color)
• 500 5x7 Postcards
• Two (2) retractable 33x80 banner stands

Of course if you would like to modify some items just let me know. Also, pricing is only available if you PM me. I wasn't sure what the terms were here on the Café for posting prices so I just thought I'd play it safe.

Be safe and take care!

-Eaton
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I'm happy to have received MANY pm's regarding the offer above. If anyone has any general questions or feedback please feel free to ask! Thanks.
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eatonmagic
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On 2013-09-18 18:04, Greensboro wrote:
"idle"


I'm not sure I understand your post. Please elaborate.
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How can it be a deal too good to pass up if you don't tell us what the deal is?
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eatonmagic
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On 2013-09-19 03:00, aussiemagic wrote:
How can it be a deal too good to pass up if you don't tell us what the deal is?



I am offering the above services at a discounted rate throughout the next few days. If someone is interested in knowing the fees, I give specific instructions how to obtain that information.

Therefore, if someone were to be sincerely interested, they would PM me. In short, my answer to you would be that I am "weeding" out those who are not interested and seeing who will take action and who is lazy.
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"I have been literally inundated with one enquiry."
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On 2013-09-20 05:06, thecharlatan wrote:
"I have been literally inundated with one enquiry."


If you read my original post one more time I close by saying that quotes are only given by messaging me. I received about 45 PM's which tells me that the ones who are SERIOUS about their business wanted more information. But I appreciate sarcasm just as much as the next guy. And you get 10 points for using the word "inundated".
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Welcome to the Café'.

Michael knows what he is doing. One of the few who really gets it. He really does and is offering a mutually beneficial short time deal.

It is sad how people want to bet behind every get rich quick scheme around. But a guy with true insight needs to be bashed.
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On 2013-09-20 15:45, Dannydoyle wrote:
Welcome to the Café'.

Michael knows what he is doing. One of the few who really gets it. He really does and is offering a mutually beneficial short time deal.

It is sad how people want to bet behind every get rich quick scheme around. But a guy with true insight needs to be bashed.


Thanks Danny. I agree that it really is sad that not just magicians but people in general feel the need to keep their guard up. I seriously DO want to help those out there who do not have a ton of money or experience. I'm hoping that those out there trying to get booked realize that good looking promo materials will greatly increase their chances of booking not only more gigs but higher paying ones.
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I think the problem is, many do not understand what it is you do or are offering. Is this about Facebook and social media? Is this about business cards? Are you a graphic designer? A Printer? Perhaps they are failing to see how it all comes together to help them? And why what you are offering is better or more appropriate than what they have or could do themselves.

I think people here are failing to see how this can help them or what you are really offering them?

This combined with your vague approach, I think many feel they can't ask questions as only "the serious" are asked to reply. I think that this may be creating some of the defensiveness.

Danny seems to know you but I get the feeling others don't, and as you know a confused buyer does not become a customer. There may be some mixed messages. Hopefully someone that takes you up on your offer will post their thoughts or a review of their satisfaction.
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On 2013-09-20 23:19, Mindpro wrote:
I think the problem is, many do not understand what it is you do or are offering. Is this about Facebook and social media? Is this about business cards? Are you a graphic designer? A Printer? Perhaps they are failing to see how it all comes together to help them? And why what you are offering is better or more appropriate than what they have or could do themselves.


Mindpro,

Thank you for your post...

I seriously hope people aren't failing to see what I am offering as I clearly went through EXACTLY what is is that I was offering.

I discussed marketing yourself through Facebook and also gave clear examples of business card designs (please refer to the rather large image I attached with several card designs). I also gave several links to custom landing pages I have created for other magicians. There was also a section of me briefly mentioning how to use your Facebook page in addition to your website to increase the amount of business and traffic you're already getting.

Am I missing anything else?

Should there be any other questions on what it is I do, please also refer to these following links as I have been making posts regarding my services for the last 6 months or more here on the Café:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=5

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44
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I agree with Mondpro, reading the copy you posted, I don’t know what the Facebook page can do to increase my bookings and nothing on your post explains how a “Fan Page” increases business.

The wording that was clear is that you charge regular clients $500.00 and up a month to maintain a Facebook page.

There seems to, be more to this than mentioned; post cards are involved, so I guess mailing out post cards is also necessary to increase business, why don’t I just get post cards?

Nothing against you personally, but the advertising is not clear enough for me to further investigate your offer and since I’m not clear on the offer you are advertising, I can’t see how you can represent my business and clearly advertise my company on Face book

This is just my opinion.
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On 2013-10-01 23:57, Howie Diddot wrote:
I agree with Mondpro, reading the copy you posted, I don’t know what the Facebook page can do to increase my bookings and nothing on your post explains how a “Fan Page” increases business.

The wording that was clear is that you charge regular clients $500.00 and up a month to maintain a Facebook page.

There seems to, be more to this than mentioned; post cards are involved, so I guess mailing out post cards is also necessary to increase business, why don’t I just get post cards?

Nothing against you personally, but the advertising is not clear enough for me to further investigate your offer and since I’m not clear on the offer you are advertising, I can’t see how you can represent my business and clearly advertise my company on Face book

This is just my opinion.




A short phone call would help clear a lot of things up. Also, I'm not in the business of giving away the secret to a trick if you catch my drift. I can give you the "effect" but would like to reserve the "method" for myself...or to the right client. I know that a lot of my stuff on here only reveals general descriptions of what I do and not specifics. One reason is that most people will steal an idea...just like they'll rip a copy of a magic DVD and not compensate the creator. Why do you think most trailers do not show a lot of the routine from beginning to end? If you expose the method you've given the secret away.

Rather, I would like to give the results first and THEN talk to the ones interested in seeing results. Only then can I give away more information.

BTW, the print deals were only included as part of a PACKAGE deal. These packages were offered depending on what most magicians or entertainers would normally use to promote their business. The postcards CAN be used to drive traffic to the Facebook page or your website but only if used if the correct way. It's by far not the ONLY means to being people. It was just an offer.

Recently, I talked with a VERY good friend of mine whom I've designed several of his effects on the market. He now works with a large magic supplier and when discussing my ideas for their Facebook page, he agreed to "chat" with his partners and get back to me. Well, only after about three weeks I looked at their Facebook fan page and EVERY idea I gave him had been implemented and I never received one "thank you" or any compensation. He basically took my ideas and gave them to another person. I was hoping to land them as a client and that was the thanks I got.

So I hope you can see why I'm being a little vague at times. But like I said before, I don't mind to talk with you over the phone if that will help clear things up. PM me and I'll shoot you my phone number.

Thanks,
Michael
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Michael, you are beginning o sound like a used car salesman. You're all hat and no cattle as they say in Texas. PROOF is all we are asking for not fairy tales.
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On 2013-10-02 14:29, Paddy wrote:
Michael, you are beginning o sound like a used car salesman. You're all hat and no cattle as they say in Texas. PROOF is all we are asking for not fairy tales.


Paddy,

You're kidding right? Did you not see the 3 attached images above or have you not been paying attention to any of my posts?
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Michael,
So what's the deal? A customized Facebook page and 1,000 business cards for $900 + $499/month?

I myself am not sure what you're offering. Are you offering graphic design for all the print elements? Is is just the printing? Why would I pay $499/month just for 1,000 business cards and a custom-designed page. What is the price difference between the "Pro" package and the "Worker" package? What's the normal rate vs. the rate you're offering here?

Danny, he's not getting bashed, people just don't understand his deal. For someone in marketing, he sure has a way of beating around the bush and making things confusing...as evidenced by all the confusion here. I'm not trying to bash him either...I think people are just put off by his post title and subsequent lack of information about what makes this deal "A deal too good to pass up!!!"

It seems nearly everyone is very confused about what you offer (that's not good!). Maybe you can summarize what you offer, clearly define the packages, and then create a page on your website with that information. You can post a link to your website here on the Café, and those who would like more information can click on the link to access it.

Best wishes,
Kevin

P.S. - The post regarding the word "Idle" was someone helping you with a grammar error. You posted: "I've seen magicians with 10,000 fans but their business is still sitting idol." An "idol" is something you worship. You meant "idle." "Idle" is an adjective that describes doing nothing. You accidentally used the wrong one and Greensboro was correcting you.
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It sounds like what you are offering is being their advertising agency and creative consultant for their (the clients) particular needs. Thus you cannot be specific, as each will have different promotional needs.

Thus like any advertising agency, it comes down to what you can do for each client. One way to do this, is by previous success information. Which all boils down to total sales and gross earning for your other clients. You previously mentioned "likes", who cares about likes, money is the best like I know of when it come to making a living. The mortgage company will not take likes, hits, or whatever else all these product people want to do their advertising for them.

In the case of your example of designing a Fan Page, who designs it, I guess you don't as you did not answer Mindpro's direct question. Thus if you hire professional designers, or have a team of people you draw on, then that is something that a client needs to know as he is paying for a freelance agency, not just your "ideas".

It sounds like you are offering your skill at designing, promotion, and draw through offering something for nothing as in your free book give-a-way idea.

In this case you are only the ideas man and the head salesman, which is fine, but honesty is always good business when you want other people's money.

Part of sales is to give something that all of their senses can relate to. You also have to provide the Who, What, Where, and How questions that are asked. If not you will not get the sales.

Such as Who are you.
What can you provide.
Where will you provide it. Only on a Fan Page?
How will you provide it. Through a telephone call.
Who will be working with the client and who is he.
How much will this cost me in addition to your retainer monthly retainer fee. All these professionals will cost additional revenue.

I once hired an attorney, he accepted my case. On the day of court, he sent another person, I felt cheated, ripped off, and taken. Same goes for things like this.

If you did not notice, there are dozens of magicians claiming they will make everyone that buys their idea, plan, or program a successful magician if only they give them hundreds of dollars. I have not read one posting on the Café of those that claim they bought the program that they are now earning hundreds of thousands of dollars. In fact they are still on the café asking how they can get more bookings. My point is they have heard this all before, and thus before committing to hundreds of dollars a month and possibly more, they will need to hears some hard proven facts. If you cannot provide documented proof of results, then you have "hard road to hoe" as they use to say.

I once was selling my house, the realtor wanted the listing, he said he could list it at hundred of thousands of dollars. I took him aside, and ask, what can I really expect the price to be. He looked at me like I offended him. Needless to say, if he is not going to be honest, then I will not give him a listing. He gets paid for his listing even if another realtor sells it.

The internet was built on totally "free", not that word means many different things. The Café is built to give free advice and ideas. So of course when someone come by that wants hundreds of dollars for his ideas, it is puzzling to say the least.
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I'm confused too. In an effort to be clear, I'd like to ask some specific questions and make specific comments. I'll also put up this disclaimer first: Due to some health issues I am not working much right now. I'm only taking local (60 minutes travel) gigs for repeat clients. Thus, I am currently not doing any marketing. I should be back to health and working full time again in about four years. In the meantime, I'm researching, learning, adding to my marketing library, designing some simple mock-up stuff mostly for fun and to keep busy. So if you don't want to answer because I'm not a soon potential client I'll understand.

With that, here are my questions/comments, respectfully submitted and NOT meant to be insulting:

Your first link, the Eric Jones app, appears to be a basic image-based web page placed into a facebook tab. The product image and copy are o.k., though not exceptional, and the background cityscape image is not really related to the product.
Eric Jones's main page has not been updated since January, except for a few comments by fans. What is he getting for the monthly retainer?

Your second link, the first Vanishing Inc., appears to also be a basic image-based web page with video and some links placed into a facebook tab.
The third link, 2nd for Vanishing Inc., appears to be a basic bit-mapped image with links.
Their main page has few images posted for a chuckle but the rest is a catalog page. I understand that's probably what they want for it, but why can't they post those images themselves. Is that what they get for the monthly retainer?

The Kentucky Magic app appears to be a copy of their "regular" web site.
Their main page has 1 to 3 short text posts per month and very few images.

The David McCreary page hasn't been updated since April, and requires visitors to "Like" the page before allowing them to see any videos. I didn't bother to do that. I won't bother to do that.

Please understand, I don't not mean to insult your design work if you did their wallpaper and profile images. They are pleasant enough but I don't see any extra value if an outsource designer did them. And I see nothing in monthly updates that is worth $500 per.

I see that your special offer here doesn't include apps, nor does it mention a monthly thing. So maybe I'm all wrong here. In that case I apologize. But it does go to show how confusing your offer is.

Sincerely,
Bazinga!
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Well, I decided to step back from this and another thread started by eatonmagic, but it is apparent by the many similar questions I had previously expressed, that the thoughts I posted above seem to be true and correct.

While I guess I'm not understanding the vague-ity(sp) of this whole concept, I will say that it seems several things are prevalent here:

1. What you're offering seems vague to most here
2. Most here are failing to understand what you are offering
3. Most here are failing to see the value in what is being offered
4. Most here are failing to see how FB likes can or will be monetized to therefore translate to income or bookings
5. Other than creating a facebook page and business cards (& post cards and banner signs depending on the package) there seems to be many concerns about the continuous monthly fee and what they get for that fee
6. Since no prices are being offered, no value is present
7. The typical quick perception is - "if he can't clearly state his offer and services to be easily understood, how can I expect him to clearly market me, my interests and concerns" and get a ROI on these prices that seem to be premium priced
8. I feel others have a concern also of "I'm not seeing what is being offered that I can't do though myself, with my own contacts (Vista-Print, Got Print, Moo, etc.) and creating my own facebook fan page"
9. Why it's all based around Facebook and taking the flow away from their own current web site which is a much more thorough representation of them, their services, credits, and experience
10. Lastly I think everyone is waiting for the big kicker payoff or difference that they are failing to see

Like the last two posts I'm not trying to do any bashing here either as I'm truly trying to understand this and find the value, which I'm still not. I'm not trying to gang up on this guy like I've been so often accused of with BB and others I've questioned.

I do believe based on Danny's thoughts this is not any type of a shady guy or offering, and do support him and was hoping someone would chime in with their personal success experience with him and his services and perhaps more clearly state some of the missing pieces.

I'm sure the missing pieces are intentional, which I can understand, but if they aren't expressed to potential customers they will not buy. The adage a "confused customer will never buy" seems very appropriate here.

Also to me, which is why I backed off from my questions and participation on these threads, I can possibly see maybe some benefits for consumer level performers such as kids and family entertainers who have a possibility to gain bookings through facebook, but am yet to be convinced that any professional markets such as colleges, corporate, fairs & fests, schools, cruises, etc. would book through such services. So is this then just simply to have a facebook presence? I would think there must be more to it than that?

I get handing out your business cards, post cards and banners directing them to your facebook page. That part seems explained, but at at point the understanding for many seems to drop off.

I'm hoping these posts express that people aren't against eatonmagic, but show that they still are not truly getting it, but are trying to.

I also get you want them to call you so you can fill in the blanks and sell them in person to those "serious" about it. But I question how you can expect someone to be "serious" about this with such minimal understanding and confusion?
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