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What makes David's better/different than Bob's. Bob's seems to be more compact, examinable, practible. Just curious.
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Compact: agree.
Examin-able: disagree. They seem on par.
Practical: disagree, they seem on par.

The effect is clearly slightly different between the two. I like the idea of "in case of emergency" similar to the insurance policy concept which is a good patter in my opinion for a nice version of a sucker trick.

I would say also that being transparent makes the clarity box more disarming. What do you want to examine in something that is clearly transparent?
And let's not forget the price, the clarity box being a winner (not saying that the lightning box is not worth its price).
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The move seems cleaner with the Clarity box too.
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I'm not sure why it has to be one "vs" the other. Both boxes have their uses -- and very good ones.

I love the Lightning Box. Easy to operate. Easy to change the card, prediction, bill, or whatever. Looks like a cufflink box, so it passes for ordinary. I think it's best suited for "signed card/bill to impossible location" type effects, where the spectators don't know what's inside the box until the climax of the effect.

I've ordered the Clarity Box, which seems perfect for a prediction. Mine will be written on a folded piece of blank index card. It's very strong that the spectators see the prediction isolated and in plain view from the beginning.

Thanks to the mechanics of the Clarity Box, no one could imagine a switch when you show the prediction. I believe David Regal compared this use to an Ostin Clip, and I agree. The Clarity Box, however, seems more elegant, open, and "guileless" in appearance.

Of course, it can also be used for signed cards, restored dollar bills, etc. -- so it's a bargain at its price.

Again, both boxes are fantastic -- well made, easy to use, and baffling.

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On 2013-08-21 16:00, paperinick wrote:
Compact: agree.
Examin-able: disagree. They seem on par.
Practical: disagree, they seem on par.

The effect is clearly slightly different between the two. I like the idea of "in case of emergency" similar to the insurance policy concept which is a good patter in my opinion for a nice version of a sucker trick.

I would say also that being transparent makes the clarity box more disarming. What do you want to examine in something that is clearly transparent?
And let's not forget the price, the clarity box being a winner (not saying that the lightning box is not worth its price).


Sometimes, not often, a spectator might pick up the box. Its really not a problem. I would just suggest that someone might pick up off the cuff. Price is certainly a consideration, and also think there are more similarities than differences in the effect. I do appreciate your input. I like David's stuff a lot, just wished magic was not so similar.

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Hi Jerry, good thoughts. I've had my LB since it came out and use it with predictions as well. I show the box with the prediction inside and proceed. I may get one myself.

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Hi Steve,

Yes, me too -- if it's a prediction in the LB, I show it first. The box then sits isolated in plain sight until the end.

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What about the Kennedy mystery box? I know you can't change it from a card, but do you think it's as good?
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The Kennedy Mystery Box looks very nice (wood, small) but it's limited to a card of a certain color and back type. The Lightning Box and Clarity Box don't have this restriction.

So I'd say: Kennedy box not as good overall.

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Agree.
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I love the LB also. I think the nicest thing about this is you can use Jamy Swiss's work where you have something else in the box...coins, dice or whatever. This REALLY adds to the illusion. I assume you could use this with David's also. I love David's work and use several of his products, but I'm no 100% sold on the idea of having it in plain view all along. I like it to be a real shock that the card ends up in that box. I'm sure The Clarity Box is shocking...just in a different way.
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David explains on the DVD that his Clarity Box and other excellent boxes (which he goes into quite a bit of history and depth on) is a difference in PLOT:

"You use the Clarity Box when you want them to SEE an item on display - instead of a concealed item. It is an item they know about. It's there hermetically sealed in a clear box."

The point made - and an excellent one - is that David's Clarity box adds a different plot twist on an already excellent concept. Clarity Box should allow performers to come up with some routines that were henceforth not possible before.

There are also some extra psychological layers with Clarity Box - the innocence of a clear box that has been in full view and never touched. The mind tends to lower it's guard when it sees something that does not seem to intend to hide anything.

As far as I see it, the title to this thread makes it seem like one needs to make a choice between Lightning (or any of the other boxes which work off a similar principal) and David's new box.

This is a false choice.

Which is better Brainwave or ID? 1st cousins yes, but they both use entirely different plots and both powerful. There is a difference perceptions.

David's Clarity Box won't push aside your other boxes, nor is it intended to.
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Well said.
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Depends on the premise.

Clarity Box is more akin to FOB where the object ( card, billet, money) is in plain view the the wow effect. The effect becomes and transposition effect or 'prediction' effect.

For Mystery box and Lighting Box, the object can remain a surprise until the climax of the effect if you choose to. Any if you wanted to, LB can be shown to be empty before the effect, so the effect a transportation effect. Not showing the contents of the box before hand creates abit of 'mystery' (pardon the pun) that gives a great hook to it. Showing it empty, or presumed empty other than coins etc ( holding other props or objects) also disarms the audience to not link it to the effect and doesn't telegraph the ending.
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Lightning Box resembles a hockey puck. It doesn't look like anything people are familiar with. This at least has a "break glass in case of emergency" feel to it. Also the clear nature of the clarity box will keep people from wanting to examine it I'd like to think.
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On 2013-08-22 01:54,

As far as I see it, the title to this thread makes it seem like one needs to make a choice between Lightning (or any of the other boxes which work off a similar principal) and David's new box.

This is a false choice.

Which is better Brainwave or ID? 1st cousins yes, but they both use entirely different plots and both powerful. There is a difference perceptions.

David's Clarity Box won't push aside your other boxes, nor is it intended to.


This really wasn't meant to be an either/or. LB can do the same things just isn't transparent. It also fits in the pocket easier if table hopping or just managing your props. As I've mentioned, I like David as well and use his products.
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Hi All -

I was out of the house yesterday, when this thread started up.

The card-to-canister plot and its brilliant method belong to German magician Bruno Hennig. If you think he lived in 1850 (as I did) you'd be wrong - the man is still alive and you can see video of him online performing a bit of the floating cork, another trick he invented (http://www.magier-joro.de/english.html). A brilliant man. And in the timeline of magic card-to-canister is a modern plot.

A lot of interesting methods have been added to the core concept of Mr. Hennig's effect, but all possess the same plot: A container of come kind holds an unknown item. The unknown item is revealed at the end of the effect. If that is the plot you are performing, of course you want an opaque container!

The Clarity Box is for those occasions when you want an item on view, and known to the audience, because it fits the plot of the effect you are performing. It's simple as that. For example, do you want a folded prediction on a file card on display - isolated - during the performance of a mental effect? The Clarity Box is a good choice for that plot.

When I performed The Clarity Box in the Close-up gallery of The Magic Castle, I had a folded card inside. I set it on the corner of the table "in case of emergency" where it sat for my entire set. At the end of the set, when I directed attention to the card they'd been looking at for twenty minutes, and it turned out to be the spectator's signed card... well, it got that "No %$@#! way" reaction we all love so much.

So, even though the workings of The Clarity Box are deceptive, the same could be said about other gimmicked boxes. The true difference is the fact that in one case we are talking about a unknown item, and in another case we are talking about a known item - it's a plot thing.

Hope that helps!

David
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I saw this up close and personal at MAGIC Live last week. It's a super clever method, and the illusion of your impossible item falling from the clear box, right into your hand, is perfect. Perfect.
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On 2013-08-22 09:57, David Regal wrote:
Hi All -

I was out of the house yesterday, when this thread started up.

The card-to-canister plot and its brilliant method belong to German magician Bruno Hennig. If you think he lived in 1850 (as I did) you'd be wrong - the man is still alive and you can see video of him online performing a bit of the floating cork, another trick he invented (http://www.magier-joro.de/english.html). A brilliant man. And in the timeline of magic card-to-canister is a modern plot.

A lot of interesting methods have been added to the core concept of Mr. Hennig's effect, but all possess the same plot: A container of come kind holds an unknown item. The unknown item is revealed at the end of the effect. If that is the plot you are performing, of course you want an opaque container!

The Clarity Box is for those occasions when you want an item on view, and known to the audience, because it fits the plot of the effect you are performing. It's simple as that. For example, do you want a folded prediction on a file card on display - isolated - during the performance of a mental effect? The Clarity Box is a good choice for that plot.

When I performed The Clarity Box in the Close-up gallery of The Magic Castle, I had a folded card inside. I set it on the corner of the table "in case of emergency" where it sat for my entire set. At the end of the set, when I directed attention to the card they'd been looking at for twenty minutes, and it turned out to be the spectator's signed card... well, it got that "No %$@#! way" reaction we all love so much.

So, even though the workings of The Clarity Box are deceptive, the same could be said about other gimmicked boxes. The true difference is the fact that in one case we are talking about a unknown item, and in another case we are talking about a known item - it's a plot thing.

Hope that helps!

David


Hi David, glad you chimed in. I use to use the Nelson Mental Gimmick at Trade Shows all the time. Your point is well taken.

Steve
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If a performer wanted an additional element of surprise with the Clarity Box, is there anything preventing him from covering it with a hank or some other cover?
(Please say zombie dragon foulard. Please say zombie dragon foulard.)
If a performer wanted additional openness with the Lightning Box, is there anything preventing him from removing the lid earlier on in the routine?

DD
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