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There are times when you want the card,bill,etc. visible and times you want the surprise. David demonstrated the Clarity Box for me at Magic Live and it is both practical and deceptive. I was an early adopter of The Lightning Box and this is an excellent prop as well. There is a time and place for each.
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I love this thread because these types of boxes have become an obsession of mine. I agree with Corpmagi's comment above: there is a time and place for each type of effect.

I created a box that was released in limited edition last year called The Boldly Go Box (with Bob Kohler's blessing which I obtained prior to its release... my design shared a similar feature to his):

http://www.masimedia.net/asimov/TheBoldlyGoBox.html

It is currently sold out but I'm thinking of doing another run. With The Boldly Go Box, you can show the box's contents at the start of an effect, or keep the top on it. It's a simple method that works better for some routines and won't work well with others. The types of tricks you can do with it are endless, and I use it in a routine on my latest DVD.

I have a "thing" for gimmicked boxes and can't want to check out the Clarity Box.
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On 2013-08-22 09:57, David Regal wrote:
The true difference is the fact that in one case we are talking about a unknown item, and in another case we are talking about a known item - it's a plot thing.

Hope that helps!

David


I also love Kohlers Lightning Box a lot as well as Kennedys Mystery Box.
I know what David is saying here but I think its a bit more difficult isn't it?.
I mean I can also have the item (card, billet, whatever) known by the spectators from the start.
Just by opening the lid before the effect (transposition/change/prediction/whatever) starts and let them see whats inside. This allows a plot in both directions.
I like the idea of the Clarity Box but I have to disagree on the plot thing.

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Martin

EDIT: sorry, Doc Dixon said it all!
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"...a bit more difficult?" I am mystified by this. Honestly mystified. Where is it coming from?

No. Not more difficult.
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This allows a plot in both directions.

Partially true. Have you ever seen one of those cigarette in a clear plastic container with the sticker "in case of emergency"? On thing is to show something at the beginning, one thing is to keep it visible for the whole time. Very minor difference, but a difference nonetheless.
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This thread may continue forever unless we realize the facts... Mr. Regal may or may not have improved upon this awesome plot, but he certainly has added to the very credible choices we have in realizing it. Look at the details to all of these versions and choose the one that fits your performance style. Get it. Use it. Amaze with it.

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I honestly find it hard to not look at the Clarity Box as anything but a HUGE step forward in this type of effect. Whether you display the prediction or cover it in some way, the ultimate switch from a CLEAR box is absolutely beautiful. And it gives a spectator virtually nowhere to go methodologically because it seems so innocent. There have been a lot of great boxes previous to this -- some that are wildly clever -- but for me this outshines them all.
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Again, it's purely subjective. While I am going to order the Clarity Box, there is something to be said for the mystery that a plain, opaque box has to offer...for one, if you perform "bizarre" magic with Tarot cards, the Clarity Box may have a more difficult time fitting in to your repertoire. A plain, opaque, non-labeled box may have a better chance.
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There's a big difference between showing an item in an opaque container and one contained within a transparent container. You show an item in an opaque box and you have to say "here is the object in the opaque box"... you have to use more words to make it clear. If the item is in a transparent box, it's already clear; you can use much less explanation (and really, you don't need any. Everything is already apparent) A distinct advantage I think.
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On 2013-08-22 23:40, reese wrote:
There's a big difference between showing an item in an opaque container and one contained within a transparent container. You show an item in an opaque box and you have to say "here is the object in the opaque box"... you have to use more words to make it clear. If the item is in a transparent box, it's already clear; you can use much less explanation (and really, you don't need any. Everything is already apparent) A distinct advantage I think.


Exactly. Nothing needs to be said really.

But an opaque box can and will hold its own advantages depending on the routine.

Like I said, there us no debate here. Pick your poison and enjoy whichever you prefer.
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Clarity Box can be opaque too.
- Gift wrap it.
- Put it inside any other box.
- Paint it black and then pour paint thinner on it to reveal a card in a clear box (I love this idea, but don't actually do it as you'll probably ruin the box)

Even if you don't like the idea of the prediction being on display from the beginning, which I can understand presentationally, I think I'd still rather have the Clarity Box inside something or covered or wrapped in something, and here's why: there is an inherent strengthening of the effect when you can reveal the existence of a prediction while still keeping it sealed.
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I seem to recall the same visibility issue discussed in reference to Sankey's Paperclipped effect a few years ago. Effects such as Lightning Box or Mystery Box convey the notion the signed card has invisibly travelled to the location upon revelation, as if the box had been empty previously. Card to impossible location in the end.

If you are going to have the card visible the whole time, then reveal it is the signed card that was not the same card in the box just seconds before, then is the effect a switch of the cards? Is it a time travel concept? Did the face reprint? Is that a problem?

I have no opinion on which is better, but I can understand those who believe having the card visible prior to the effect and having it become the spectator's signed card is almost too impossible and not as effective as far as presentation.

In the end it's whatever floats your boat. I love em' all.
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But isn't that the effect with the "card in impossible location"? It's like Bro. John's "signed card"; the reveal is impossible. It creates a gasp. Using a clear box enables you to have the impossible object in view for a much longer time... it depends on the effect you want to achieve, whether that might be useful to you.
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"having it become the spectator's signed card is almost too impossible and not as effective as far as presentation."

That was my initial feeling too, but I bought it anyway. I just figured it will totally blow minds,or make them realise it cant be their
Card, but they still won't know how it's done.
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I think y'all might be thinking too much like magicians
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I can tell you without hesitation, it simply FEELS CRAZY IMPOSSIBLE to people. It is not an intellectual exercise, it's a short circuit.
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I am yet to receive my clarity box and cannot wait for its arrival, I think the card being on view at the beginning will dispell any thoughts in the spectators mind that that is their card, having a card signed and do what ever routine you want with it and then revealing it to be the card in the clarity box is stronger in my opinion, remember you bring this out before a card is selected, so again in the specs mind this must be a different card and as far as they are concered the magician must be doing something else with it, so when this does become their card as I said before I think this makes it stronger? and also when it comes to do the move it kinda removes the heat from you as oer the reasons above.

If the card on view bothers you why not just obtain a velvet looking drawstring bag and place inside the bag first?
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Many (including me) probably won't use this as a signed card to location at all. That doesn't float my boat personally (although the included gimmick is really impressive visually).

I intend to use this as a prediction effect - a name, place, whatever...that matches the spectator's thoughts.

Folded business card or billet that was in the sealed clear box from the beginning.

There is a lot of action on the mentalism possibilities downstairs at + in Mentally Speaking.

The see through of Clarity Box probably makes more sense logically as a prediction rather than s signed XXX to impossible location.

Regal says he gets incredible reactions using the card to impossible at the Magic Castle however.
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I'll post a clip from The Castle Close-Up Gallery when I get together with my son to cut a longer promo, maybe next week. This is easily the most useful thing I've ever come up with. In a few weeks I'm going to use the box for a burned bill routine in a theater setting.
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