VERY nice!

Fun, and others... I see your point about the specs themselves most likely not being the ones to have paid him, or even, not knowing if he was paid, period. But MY train of thought was that, PERHAPS, they knew the person who did pay, or the person who "invited him to perform". And there could have been an air of respect in the room for that person. I really just wanted to point out the respect that was given.. Its nice when you don't have to "deal" with hecklers, or Fun-nazis. No pun intended..
I DO, see your points though and how I may have been misunderstood. And I especially agree about the part you mentioned about cameras being drawn, and how that often gets the respect out of people. ( as well as just being a good performer! I know, I know..everything could go for debate)
In the future, maybe I won't use words like assume.. I'm not a Know-It-All. But I see how debate goes on this forum..
Anyway thanks for the perspective shift, and for the warm welcome!

Lovely presentation of the Roth Shelled Coins Across.

Funny thing Deb, I was exactly thinking that from the very first time I saw it. Nice way he presented it but yeah, that's Roth just done to the spec's hands. Shows you just how great that old routine is, and how very elegant & classic it remains in whatever way you see it. If I had any cons about it I'd say, I understand the repeated coin rolls within the presentation but didn't much like it being done over and over again, but that's a little thing in comparison to the greater overall presentation, which again was very well executed.

Oh and welcome to the Café, Deb.

-Mb

Thank you Mb217. Paul Gertner's "A Familiar Ring" is the David Roth routine with a tad more motivation. However, the crowed was very pleased with Craig Petty's routine in that clip, so good on him.

The beginning, where he hands out the coins for inspection, is from Bob Kohler's Ultimate 3 Fly. The routine is different from the Roth routine in that he uses only three coins, not four, and he uses silver dollars, not half-dollars. But for the first coin he uses the Roth innovation, demonstrating that the coin will go from here to here, which allows the coins to be displayed and set up without counting the coins from hand to hand and is very clean. The second coin is similarly done, slightly adjusted. The third, last, coin is also from Roth, but instead of taking the "coin" himself, he has the spectator hand him the "coin."

The rest of the routine, the flurry sequence and the production of the large coins, are additions not in the original Roth routine.

I don't see anything special about the reactions. They appear to be normal reactions any good magician would get.

Let's not forget Derek Dingle's Silver Quick routine which is a four coins across into a participant's hand. The handling of the last coin across is an idea of Bob Ostin.

The Dingle routine uses the purse palm.

Indeed it does and some prefer it to the Roth handling. To true layman it is the same effect.

There are many coins across routines using a gaff. The Petty routine is based on the Roth routine.

But not many coins across into a participant's hand, which is far stronger than coins going from the magician's hand to his other hand or into a glass.

Craig has some nice touches in his version making it entertaining. And while Craig's version is based on the Roth handling, I wouldn't be surprised if Roth's wasn't inspired by Dingle's.

In my opinion, the weakness in Dingle's version is using the Morrit Palm three times in a row.

Magicians are always talking about the Rule of Three without fully understanding it, while totally ignoring the Rule of Four, or even the Rule of Five.

I think you mean you wouldn't be surprised if Roth's WAS inspired by Dingle's. Looking over the Dingle routine, I don't think they are similar. Roth's innovation is to eliminate the counting of the coins.

Maybe others are more knowledgeable about this.

Ray, you are right. That IS what I meant.

There is no counting from hand to hand in Dingle's routine, except for the fourth phase when the four coins are counted into the helper's hand. At this point, I think it is important to do that as they are suspicious as hell.

Both Dingle's and Roth's routines are very well thought out and Roth's seems to be performed more by professionals. Both are well worth studying.

Does anyone know who first came up with the idea of having the participant (during the last phase) place the top coin into the magician's hand, rather than him pick it up?

Nicely done! Entertaining, magical.

It's Jon Allen's Coins Across til the jumbo coins.
But actually the origin is irrelevent, it is well performed with good interaction. Strictly speaking his lines didn't come across as spontanteous but that is from a reviewer perspective.

I love seeing people work and Craig is one of the best.

Hey, How does anyone think he is able to toss the sh****ed coin around so freely? Good gaff? Slightly magnetized? It was a nice touch.

It certainly was a variation of Jon Allen' routine (which is an evolved Roth routine). But the vanish sequence was nice...I haven't seen that before.

I just checked... A Dean's Set Morgan can be tossed around like Petty did, but an average expanded sh** cannot. Nice.

A TUC coin can also be tossed around like that, or any locking type sh**l coin set, I s'pose.

Again, I think basically this is Roth's Shelled Coins Across, with a few added nice touches and the jumbo finishes by Craig. Don't believe I've seen Jon Allen's routine but sure it's a nice one as all his work is stellar. *Incidentally, I carry around Jon's wonderful "Double Back" card trick to this day. Ever want to break up all the coin stuff, try it…It's one of the best packet tricks ever devised, IMHO. Not hard to do (even for a coin guy) and just absolutely devilish!

A well-made custom shell can be tossed from hand to hand while nested. (E.g., my Lassen Barber shell). I wouldn’t get too carried away with flipping it or anything but I can definitely toss it from one hand to the other with confidence.

Jim

Very very good indeed.
I'm not a coin guy but definitely wanna learn this one )



Btw.
What do you mean.
Something like "good magician has to convince audience that he does magic for real"?
Or I've got you wrong?