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Hi Writeall,

I'm surprise I actually never noticed that copy! I don't think it was in Martin's original post but looks like that is what's being posted on some of the sites now.

That said, there is definitely some hyperbole going on there. Maybe if your like 48 inches away that can be true!

Kidding aside, I suppose that from 50% of the angles (purposefully vague) you can take some pretty close scrutiny provided certain conditions with the chip are met. For the other 50% of the angles, there is just no way that it is "impossible to detect" at super close range (even mid range is risky). I personally wouldn't risk calling too much attention to it.

Now, you can certainly perform the trick surrounded and get away with it since it' a a pretty quick effect. Like most tricks though, there is an optimal angle you want to be sensitive to. But if you want to show the full 360 degrees, you can but better make it fast so it slips right by (the heat is on).

You can also take some additional steps in the prep, and Charlie shows you one on the DVD, to make it less noticeable.

Hope that helps!
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Thank you.
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On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
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Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?
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Are there different ads? I'm reading the one on Penguin and it says:

No thumbtip.
No magnets.
No threads.
No skill required
New Principle - Easy to Do

Considering it's Charlie Frye, this sounds like a hobbyists dream ( or people like me that lack skill ).


I think I can guess what it is and all they would look at is the chip spinning. Put it into the context of a Slydini one coin rotuine and you'd have an enetertaining piece of magic.

Oddly enough, the part that looks the hardest, the coin spinning, takes no skill. The vanishes/appearances, they take practice;-)

If the package comes with a matching chip, you could plant one under a lapel. I always liked that in one coin routines.

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On 2013-09-08 16:37, barts185 wrote:
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On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com


Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?


If you want to know how it's done, you might consider buying it.

I liked the way it looked, so that's what I did.
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NicholasD, can you give us a review and comment on the claims made in the ad copy?

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On 2013-09-08 19:07, NicholasD wrote:
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On 2013-09-08 16:37, barts185 wrote:
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On 2013-09-07 11:28, Martín Pacheco wrote:
Hi Friend

I want to repeat:

That ad is truth NO FALSE FINGER no TT , No magnet - It´s a new principle - No threads. !!!

Thanks

Martin Pacheco
http://www.bazardemagia.com


Since you're being so ridiculous about this, answer this simple question:

Do you put -ANYTHING- on the finger?

I don't care WHAT you're calling it so that you can say it's NOT a TT or false finger or whatever else it might NOT be called, I'm simply asking if you put ANYTHING on the finger?


If you want to know how it's done, you might consider buying it.

I liked the way it looked, so that's what I did.


There's very little question about how it's done. For me it was obvious the first time I looked at the trailer, even if I don't know what they want to call the thing on your finger. And I even think this looks good. The only question in my mind is how ridiculous advertisers want to get when making claims.

Bearing in mind that I still don't own this, and haven't had a chance to examine one, if you put -NOTHING- on your finger, I'll apologize and pay $50 to any charity they choose.

If you put something on your finger, playing semantics about what it's called, that's just BS when you're going out of your way to say NO TT, NO false finger, can be looked at from inches away, etc.
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It's true..... if they mention no 'TIP' that means nothing on the tip of your finger.

I saw the trailer and knew, obviously that there must be a tip. The question is, not what it is, but if it really is as undetectable as they say????
I'd be willing to wear an entire false hand to do a trick I liked if it was UNDETECTABLE.

Is it really undetectable?
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It's true..... if they mention no 'TIP' that means nothing on the tip of your finger.




First of all, that "rule" is something you have arbitrarily determined in your own mind and is simply your opinion.
Secondly, it's totally ridiculous.

Now if the gimmick were to even remotely resemble a TT, then I would agree that the claims in the ad are misleading.
But obviously there is something on your fingertip.

I think some magicians have come to be as unreasonable as some of the dealers in regards as to what constitutes a misleading ad.

Not defending this ad in particular because I honestly don't know if it is misleading or not.
But you have to allow for a little wiggle room in most cases.

For instance, if this were to use a swami type gimmick then I have no problem whatsoever with them claiming no TT is used.

It just seems like it won't be long before the worst ad-haters will start claiming that these tricks are not real magic!
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Demo and first review both look pretty good. I think the hardest part is working up a creative presentation other then an attention getter. It deserves more then just that.

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Doing it in speedos by the pool eliminates the theory of difficult set up.
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On 2013-09-08 16:45, magicmarkworldwide2 wrote:
It's true..... if they mention no 'TIP' that means nothing on the tip of your finger.




First of all, that "rule" is something you have arbitrarily determined in your own mind and is simply your opinion.
Secondly, it's totally ridiculous.

Now if the gimmick were to even remotely resemble a TT, then I would agree that the claims in the ad are misleading.
But obviously there is something on your fingertip.

I think some magicians have come to be as unreasonable as some of the dealers in regards as to what constitutes a misleading ad.

Not defending this ad in particular because I honestly don't know if it is misleading or not.
But you have to allow for a little wiggle room in most cases.

For instance, if this were to use a swami type gimmick then I have no problem whatsoever with them claiming no TT is used.

It just seems like it won't be long before the worst ad-haters will start claiming that these tricks are not real magic!



Since I'm likely (heh) in the misleading ad-haters category, just curious if you would you feel this is okay to say about a swami that was used to balance a chip(quoting from the ad)

Even when you're inches away, the secret of the stunt is impossible to detect.
It looks perfect from all angles and can be done surrounded.
No skill required


Once I actually see this, will have an internal debate between how good it looks and whether or not I want to support misleading advertising if the quoted points are not true. I could still see this being good for a lot of things even if the quoted points are not true. That's what makes me somewhat sad about this. I think it would likely have been good if they had been upfront about what was involved. But, there's likely more people that will buy it now than if they were truthful, so it's a dilemma.
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I just received Frye’s Chips today, and wanted to share my initial thoughts:

When I first opened the package the first thing I immediately noticed was the piece of paper with the last minute additions. It mentions something being included, but I didn’t see any. Maybe mine was an oversight, or minds were changed, but it’s nothing a quick trip to a store couldn’t solve.

I looked over the contents, and my initial confusion slowly turned to delight at how clever and simple this is. There is some initial preparation of the gimmick, but nothing time consuming or complicated, and you will be set for a while (depending on care and storage of the gimmick between performances).

The gimmick does work just as described, and it is very easy to perform!

For the most part, the bonuses teach basic coin slights except with casino chips that can be used in conjunction with Frye’s Chips. If you are a visual learner like me this can come in handy.

I thought the best part was the last bit in the bonus section, The Paper Propeller. I found this to be entertaining and I know it will be something I will use!

As far as working with coins, it is possible, but most likely you will need to make a trip to a local jeweler. It may raise some eyebrows, but it can be done. In fact, I am planning on making some calls this week! I will post more with an update and performance reactions.
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Thanks for the review. Can you comment on how visible the gimmick is? How detectable? Cheers mate.
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Thanks for the review. Can you comment on how visible the gimmick is? How detectable? Cheers mate.
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TT's scare Magicians almost as much as IT. Used properly, neither can be seen.
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On 2013-09-10 09:46, Zombie Magic wrote:
TT's scare Magicians almost as much as IT. Used properly, neither can be seen.





Agreed. I use a thumb tip all the time and have seen them used with proper handling there is nothing to see.

Not saying this uses one but if it did who cares. Its not the method that matters its the effect and this looks great.

-Bobby
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On 2013-09-10 09:46, Zombie Magic wrote:
TT's scare Magicians almost as much as IT. Used properly, neither can be seen.





Agreed. I use a thumb tip all the time and have seen them used with proper handling there is nothing to see.

Not saying this uses one but if it did who cares. Its not the method that matters its the effect and this looks great.

-Bobby



If one cannot use a tt, I would hardly call myself a magician. Just watch Salvano to be convinced.
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Why do people always single out things & scruntanise every minute detail.

We have all watched the video & was impressed by what Charlie does, that's why we're here.

As for how it works who cares, if you can do that like Charlie, which you can, then it's worth every penny & more !!!

It's not what you get, it's what you do with it.

Too many assumptions, Charlie is a nice guy & credible performer. He is "Awesome" & so is the effect.

Practise is required in what ever you do, to get better.

Things are self-Working.........But YOU have to be there !!

Lets all talk about the effect itself Smile

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For the most part I do not perform any more, however I did make up the gimmick and showed it to a few friends. No one mentioned they saw anything. Either they didn't, or I just have extremely nice friends. The attention itself is on the spinning chip, plus rotating your finger 180 degrees back and forth while the coin is spinning does help as well.

I am not a fan of switching and handed out the chip with no issues. Now I want to experiment with making a gimmick out of my business card. This should be fun.
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