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Why is there no female African American magicians? Did the racist make some kind of a hidden banning law or something?
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Because there is no such thing as an African American?
Why you gotta make it about color and sex?
Can't we all just get along?
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Sometimes it's not what you say, but the way you say it...

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P.S.> it's an interesting question
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THIS country?
I thought the magic Café was an international forum. Did I miss some hidden law?
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According to one website, Ellen Armstrong - Magician and Cartoonist Extraordinary was the first African American female magician. By the way, that site lists the reference, Conjure Times: Black Magicians in America by Jim Haskins and Kathleen Benson. I wonder if that mentions any other female magicians?

Still, after searching with Google for over 5 minutes, I only found a single African American female magician. That does surprise me. There must be others. I'll keep looking.

Regarding the title, I don't think this has to do with inequality. There are few magicians in society. African Americans are a minority. Relatively few magicians are female. I suspect all those combine to make very few African American female magicians.

Other questions are, what do young African American women dream of becoming when they are young? Who are their role models? The answers to those questions might be part of the reason there are so few.

It might be better to ask African American women this question.
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I think we should explore the possibility that the racist made some kind of a hidden banning law or something. That would be fun.
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Isn't that a lot of responsibility...being THE racist?
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And what about fat, french, gay, conservative transgender immigrant smokers with aids?
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Mike you could wear a dress and be unique.
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Tommy, I do not think my breast are big enough.
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On 2013-08-28 14:37, Bill Hallahan wrote:
According to one website, Ellen Armstrong - Magician and Cartoonist Extraordinary was the first African American female magician. By the way, that site lists the reference, Conjure Times: Black Magicians in America by Jim Haskins and Kathleen Benson. I wonder if that mentions any other female magicians?

Still, after searching with Google for over 5 minutes, I only found a single African American female magician. That does surprise me. There must be others. I'll keep looking.

Regarding the title, I don't think this has to do with inequality. There are few magicians in society. African Americans are a minority. Relatively few magicians are female. I suspect all those combine to make very few African American female magicians.

Other questions are, what do young African American women dream of becoming when they are young? Who are their role models? The answers to those questions might be part of the reason there are so few.

It might be better to ask African American women this question.

Thanks Bill.
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On 2013-08-28 10:04, Dynamike wrote:
Why is there no female African American magicians? Did the racist make some kind of a hidden banning law or something?

Because they are too smart to waste their time in our passion for splitting hair with no reasonable purpose...
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On 2013-08-28 20:44, Mr. Mystoffelees wrote:
And what about fat, french, gay, conservative transgender immigrant smokers with aids?

No ! Not the French...

:)
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Go train some girls to be magicians Dynamike.

Put an ad up or something, I'm sure you'll get some interested.

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Maybe you could ask the band Santana where they got theirs...
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Josh, funny, very nicely done
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On 2013-08-31 21:17, Josh the Superfluous wrote:
Maybe you could ask the band Santana where they got theirs...


Black Magic Woman?

Just in case some don't get it... Smile
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I found two other African American female magicians with Google, and their last name was also Armstrong! I don't know if they're related Ellen Armstrong (1914-1979), who mentioned in my previous post here.

Prof. John Hartford Armstrong (1876-1939) was an African American magician who was married to Mabel Armstrong, and they performed a two person mind reading act together. Mabel Armstrong died in 1914, and Prof. Armstrong married Lily Mills Armstrong, who also performed a mind reading act with him.

Unlike Ellen Armstrong, Mabel Armstrong and Lily Mills Armstrong didn't have their own show.

Also, since Mabel Armstrong died the year that Ellen Armstrong was born, it makes me wonder if Mabel Armstrong died during childbirth. However, the site where I found these magicians doesn't mention that they're related.

I expect that a lot of magicians don't mention their heritage or race on their website, so even if they exist, searching with Google isn't necessarily going to find them.
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Good look'n out.

Posted: Sep 2, 2013 12:26am I do have the book "Conjure Times: Black Magicians in America". It does mention Ellen Armstrong was the daughter of Mabel Armstrong.
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Dynamike,
The equality that you refer to is an equality of chance (as a goal or ideal because it can never be achieved, unfortunately). Looking at it as if everyody should be equal and society had to be uniform with quotas on everything (including French, who like black lady magicians aren't numerous enough) it would be just denying the fundamental need of individual liberty. It transposes the responsibility for not making individual efforts to a community.
Pakar Ilusi seems right to me: "Go train some girls to be magicians Dynamike." If some members of the magicians' community were trying to ostracize them, then you would find a vast majority of us on your side to fight such a rejection.
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That says a lot, Lawrence. Well put.
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