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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
For example:
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/08/t......ars.html “It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.” - Doc Holliday in Tombstone. Noticing he has bare feet, despite saying he wanted to die with his boots on.
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
All the stories are not proof, just hearsay.
As I posted before, 60 minutes tried to do the story about the gas that the U.S. manufactured and sold to Iraq. 60 minutes had video of the canisters showing the manufacturer's name and address. 60 minutes was threatened with trespassing charges if they did not leave (by the company CEO) the premises. The CEO claimed that his company did nothing illegal and held up the work order issued by the Fed's. When 60 minutes tried to talk to the Fed's and showed them a photocopy of the work order, the Fed's had no comment and refused to continue with anymore conversation. The Fed's had the 60 minutes crew escorted off the property. Iven
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I may not be remembering this correctly, but weren't those tear gas canisters?
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts |
According to 60 minutes it was the gas used on the Kurds. I don't remember what the labels said but at the time, (and I do remember very well) the story was not about tear gas but was about illegal gas.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
From what I've found it's clear that the US government did not supply the poison gas used by Hussein, but that certain precursor chemicals,such as the solvent thiodiglycol needed to make mustard gas, were purchased from American businesses who were subsequently sued in federal court.
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The know-how and material for developing chemical weapons were obtained by Saddam's regime from foreign sources.[24] The largest suppliers of precursors for chemical weapons production were in Singapore (4,515 tons), the Netherlands (4,261 tons), Egypt (2,400 tons), India (2,343 tons), and West Germany (1,027 tons). One Indian company, Exomet Plastics, sent 2,292 tons of precursor chemicals to Iraq. The Singapore -based firm Kim Al-Khaleej, affiliated to the United Arab Emirates, supplied more than 4,500 tons of VX, sarin, and mustard gas precursors and production equipment to Iraq.[25] Dieter Backfisch, managing director of West German company Karl Kolb GmbH, was quoted by saying in 1989: "For people in Germany poison gas is something quite terrible, but this does not worry customers abroad."[24] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_poi......ecursors So, though certain US private businesses supplied precursor chemicals, it is inaccurate to allege that the US government supplied poison gas to Saddam Hussein. |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Recently declassified documents confirm that the US government provided maps and intelligence that allowed Saddam to target his enemies. That much is beyond speculation.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I don't doubt that. Saddam was at war with Iran at the time and Iranian troops were present in certain areas of Iraq. And Iran, of course, was considered to be an enemy of the US.
I don't believe, however, that the US supplied, or sanctioned the use of, the chemical weapons that Saddam employed. There is no evidence to support that. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
US troops used white phosphorus as a weapon in last year's offensive in the Iraqi city of Falluja, the US has said.
"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC - though not against civilians, he said. The US had earlier said the substance - which can cause burning of the flesh - had been used only for illumination. Legal actions against America are blocked by US federal immunity laws and the US government's boycott of the International Criminal Court. Washington is not a signatory to an international treaty restricting the use of the substance against civilians. How do you make out "All the stories are not proof, just hearsay"? That is an addmission not hearsay.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Maybe because white phosphorous is not classified as a chemical weapon? If you want to include flammables and explosives you'd also have to classify gunpowder, dynamite and hand grenades as chemical weapons.
The term chemical weapons typically refers to poison gas, nerve agents, etc. Quote:
White phosphorus is a material made from a common allotrope of the chemical element phosphorus that is used in smoke, tracer, illumination and incendiary munitions.[1] Other common names include WP, and the slang term "Willie Pete," which is dated from its use in Vietnam, and is still sometimes used in military jargon.[2] As an incendiary weapon, white phosphorus burns fiercely and can ignite cloth, fuel, ammunition and other combustibles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorous |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Now It's a Chemical Weapon, Now It's Not
White phosphorus and the siege of Fallujah http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/no......17s-not/ "This humane concern largely eluded the press corps, however, when persistent reports emerged that U.S. forces had used white phosphorus weapons in the siege of Fallujah in 2004. On the excruciating effects of the substance, which burns the skin to the bone and cannot be extinguished with water, there’s little dispute: A New York Times article from the mid-1990s (3/22/95) explained that despite its ambiguous legal status, white phosphorus is one of “the worst chemical weapons” in existence, and noted that many of its civilian victims during World War II “were shot by German troops to end their suffering.”
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Like I said, if you want to call white phosphorous a chemical weapon, you'd also have to classify ALL other explosives and flammables as chemical weapons.
Sarin, mustard gas, nerve agents etc. are what are being referred to when the term "chemical weapons" is used. Quote:
Article 1 of Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons defines an incendiary weapon as 'any weapon or munition which is primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target'. The same protocol prohibits the use of said incendiary weapons against civilians (already forbidden by the Geneva Conventions) or in civilian areas. The convention also defines weapons which are not to be considered to be incendiary weapons. Examples are: (i) Munitions which may have incidental incendiary effects, such as illuminants, tracers, smoke or signalling systems; (ii) Munitions designed to combine penetration, blast or fragmentation effects with an additional incendiary effect. Bold type added for emphasis. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
White phosphorus, also known as WP, is classified as an incendiary weapon. The Geneva Convention on the use of conventional weapons defines "incendiary weapons" as “primarily designed to set fire to objects or to cause burn injury to persons through the action of flame, heat, or combination thereof, produced by a chemical reaction of a substance delivered on the target.” Use of white phosphorus in areas with “concentration of civilians” is illegal under international law.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That's correct. It is classified as an incendiary weapon and NOT a chemical weapon as you previously alleged.
And the source cited in your earlier post acknowledged that it was NOT used against civilians by the US. From your post: Quote:
"It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants," spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC - though not against civilians, he said. Not a chemical weapon. Not used by the US against civilians. So what was your point? |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Tricky Wiki plastic word nonsense does not fool anyone who can think for themselves. We all know that white phosphorus is one of “the worst chemical weapons” in existence as the NY Times said. We all know that Washington is not a signatory to an international treaty restricting the use of it and legal actions against America are blocked by US federal immunity laws and the US government's boycott of the International Criminal Court and so the legal definition means little nothing to the US anyway. We all know that the U.S., Britain and Israel have Used Chemical Weapons within the Last 10 Years and that our governments hypocrisy appears know no bounds.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Saddam gassed Kurds, who were not serving in the Iranian army, lots of Kurds.
Of course, if one starts to count the number of violent Iraqi deaths since the invasion of Iraq, Saddam's regime begins to seem somewhat benign. |
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